2021 Tour Semis Draft - Rules Changes

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2021 Tour Semis Draft - Rules Changes

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 1:06 am

Managers,

I’m not sure of MBW’s status but I would like to bring this to your full attention.

When we ran the polls after the tournament last year, the final vote was:

Semis: Three round draft, two players and a ballpark.
Finals: Straight autodraft.

The threads are still up and you can review them if you like.

MBW did NOT enter this into the rules as was decided by the polling.

Semis: Three round draft, player and ballpark with third pick.
Finals: Three round draft, player and ballpark with third pick.

I believe this needs to be resolved before we proceed further. I’m not particularly fond of the deferred ballpark options, either.

Managers, you need to speak up here, please.
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 2:39 am

Go with the vote

Semis: Three round draft, two players and a ballpark.
Finals: Straight autodraft.
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 4:32 am

Despite the Finals vote, I believe the intent of the voters was to treat semi-finalists the same as the finalists so the drafts should be the same. Doesn't matter to me, but that is my take.
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 9:52 am

Another wrinkle: In the past, our drafts never required a ballpark to be picked in a certain round. What if your ballpark is a priority and you want it in the first round??

The main feature of this problem is that there are rules now written in.

We have to decide if we:

A. Follow the rules as written
B. Replace the rules as intended

Making interpretations now is just going to turn this into a giant Charlie Foxtrot.
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 10:30 am

Despite the fact that the 2021 PC homepage rules are still clearly a "copy and paste" from last year's tournament - for example, it says nothing there about which player set we'd use this year - we have all clearly been relying on the rules that MBW DID publish in the forum topic "2021 Players Championship Rules" for this year. That thread has over 1000 views and only 6 replies, none of which brought into question what the playoff drafts would look like this year. It seems pretty clear that those are the rules most, if not all, of us have been working with for this season. (Thanks to MBW for getting those out there for us. I'm sure he would confirm that was the intent for this season.)

The Semi-Finals and Finals rules for this year as published there are:

Semis: Three round draft, player and ballpark with third pick.
Finals: Three round draft, player and ballpark with third pick.

I'm sorry, but if you didn't approve of those rules when they were published, now is not the time to object or raise the question.
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 10:48 am

That’s a very good and valid point.
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 10:50 am

I have to agree with agree with Moodysix on this. The rules have been there for several months. For whatever reason, they were written as they are. We all played five different qualifiers knowing those were the rules for playoffs. If they weren’t “as intended” then one of us should have said something at some point before now— yet we didn’t.

I don’t think we can now go back and say “oops, that’s not what we meant to say.”
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 10:55 am

It’s the easier course of action, for sure.

I probably shouldn’t have even brought it up. However, I was a part of the ongoing discussion back then and what was written was NOT was decided. I did not go back and reread the rules alteration whenever it was done, but I do agree now is not the time to revisit it.

I was quite surprised reading the written changes, but shame on me for not pointing it out before Event One started.

My concern was that 35 other guys are just now finding themselves as surprised/disappointed as me right now.
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PostSat Nov 06, 2021 12:00 pm

I agree with the thoughts posted from Scumby, Moodysix and Randal 64. We need to go with the rules as posted and they will be the same for the Semi's and the Finals. We have chosen BallParks on the Boards with some options on when to pick the BallPark in the past. It appears to be a fair way to do it that is consistent with the rules as they are written...
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Re: 2021 Tour Semis Draft - IMMEDIATE ATTENTION PLEASE

PostSat Nov 06, 2021 12:07 pm

I echo all the others. Rules as written.
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