2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSat Dec 05, 2020 4:22 am

Seems to me that the biggest argument for all salary caps to be available in the finals would be that the barnstormers tournament gives equal weight to all the caps in the qualifying rounds. The reason that 80 and 100 Mil are the most popular caps seems like a bit of an arbitrary reason for the finals to be played at only those caps. It also disadvantages players who excel at the other caps. What I think might be a better schedule going forward would be for the finals and semi-finals to played at a different cap level every year based on a rotating schedule. That would give the players who are specialists at the extreme caps a better chance to compete in the finals when their best cap level is represented. It would also incentivize players to become more adept at playing all cap levels instead of just 80 and 100 Mil. I realize that this is more of a long-term solution that would have to be brought to the board, and wouldn't really help this year but it might be worth considering.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSun Dec 06, 2020 10:10 am

Let the champions who earned the right to play make the decision.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSun Dec 06, 2020 3:21 pm

Bruce said it.

I also don't agree with 1Can1 - having different finals cap year to year. It's hard enough to make the Top 9 (12) let alone you finally get there and - "damn it - this years finals is 60 (200) Million". Again I am not in favor of the extreme caps, despite some people being skilled at them.


We are moving on with the vote and Lab will be emailed to post his vote. This delay produced nothing to convince me otherwise. 80 and 100 mil are the choices as we have done for the last 10 (at least) years.

I've asked the board in the past on extreme finals caps and none of them wanted anything other than 80 and 100. I will email them again or they can pop in and post just to confirm.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSun Dec 06, 2020 4:57 pm

You should have ranked order voting on all caps. The way it works is to rank league choices from 1 to 5 (60, 80, 100, 140, 200). If no league wins a majority in the first count you drop the lowest ranked league. All those player who chose the league would have their second choice counted in the second round. Still no winner? Do the same thing for the third counting.

It works for Maine it can work for barnstormers too.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostMon Dec 07, 2020 1:20 am

Moose - By only allowing player's to vote for 80 or 100 Mil you are potentially doing just that every year to the best player's at the extreme caps. I don't think it is necessary to have a rotating cap schedule, but I'm not sure what the real downside is to having at least allowing the finals player's either vote for or rank all of the salary caps.

I like sociophil's idea quite a bit!
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostMon Dec 07, 2020 10:39 am

Feel free to continue the discussion.
In the past, I've suggested that the 9 with byes select the cap and DH status so that we have an answer in December. With 9 votes, at least there wouldn't be any ties. Maybe next year.

In the meantime,
$80 Mil
If $80 Mil no DH
If $100 Mil no DH
2nd pick.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostMon Dec 07, 2020 7:14 pm

Not that have a snowballs chance in hell of being one of the three semifinal champions, but why would you need to vote now and not allow the three winners of the seminfinals a vote?


I don't know why we need to vote now.
I'm not looking for a competitive advantage. If everyone knows what cap we will have in the finals, we all have the same competitive advantage. (so there is no advantage)

I'm just expressing an opinion that I don't like the staggered voting.
The first 9 votes come in and then we wait for a few months in limbo before we get the last three votes.
I would prefer to have the everyone vote at the same time. Either 9 people vote now or 12 people vote after we know who are the 12 finalists.
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The Final Word

PostWed Dec 09, 2020 2:00 pm

I polled the board of directors and they have decided 3 to 1 for 80 or 100 mil ONLY for the finals. Only MonkeyMaker voted to have the Finals be a vote of ALL CAPS. If you add my vote then we are at 4-1. Of course you are all free to PM any or all of them to give them your opinions. (Reminder, the board is - gkhd11a-MrBaseballWorld-andycummings65-MonkeyMaker)

This is FINAL for the 2020 Tour. Again, most said that "extreme" caps is not an appropriate Barnstormers "Finals" choice. Since there is no more discussion, I will again poll the top 9 and get the vote moving. For the one person I recall who said the last three to come out of the semi-finals dont get a vote - yes they certainly do. The one with the most semi-final wins gets the 10th "draft pick" and a vote - as do the other two.


1. grazoontite 100 Mil (100-YES DH 80-YES DH) 1st Pick
2. labratory 80 Mil (100-NO DH 80-NO DH) 2nd Pick
3. RiggoDrill
4. garyclausen01
5. bk7171
6. BruceF
7. Goreds54
8. BDWard 511
9. sjudd 511
10. Semi-finals winner with most Wins in their Semi-Final League
11. Semi-finals winner with the next most Wins in their Semi-Final League
12. Semi-finals winner with the fewest Wins in their Semi-Final League

Running Total

80 Mil - 1
100 Mil - 1
DH - 1
NO DH - 1
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostWed Dec 09, 2020 2:32 pm

$80 Mil
If $80 Mil no DH
If $100 Mil DH
12th pick.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostWed Dec 09, 2020 3:00 pm

1. grazoontite 100 Mil (100-YES DH 80-YES DH) 1st Pick
2. labratory 80 Mil (100-NO DH 80-NO DH) 2nd Pick
3. RiggoDrill 80 Mil (100-DH 80-NO DH) 12th Pick
4. garyclausen01
5. bk7171
6. BruceF
7. Goreds54
8. BDWard 511
9. sjudd 511
10. Semi-finals winner with most Wins in their Semi-Final League
11. Semi-finals winner with the next most Wins in their Semi-Final League
12. Semi-finals winner with the fewest Wins in their Semi-Final League

Running Total

80 Mil - 2
100 Mil - 1

80 Mil DH - 1 NO DH 2
100 Mil DH - 2 NO DH 1
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