2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

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2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostFri Nov 27, 2020 3:18 am

Congratulations to the Top 9 in Barnstormers 2020 - they will be joined by the Winners of the 3 semi-final leagues for the 2020 Championship League.

1. grazoontite 538
2. labratory 526
3. RiggoDrill 520
4. garyclausen01 518
5. bk7171 516 (2 championships)
6. BruceF 516 (1 championship)
7. Goreds54 512
8. BDWard 511 (6 playoff appearances)
9. sjudd 511 (5 playoff appearances)
10. Semi-finals winner with most Wins in their Semi-Final League
11. Semi-finals winner with the next most Wins in their Semi-Final League
12. Semi-finals winner with the fewest Wins in their Semi-Final League

Next up, every player in order from #1 to #9 will be asked to place their vote for Finals Salary Cap and DH/No DH and their live draft position choice. As the overall #1 finisher, grazoontite will be asked to place his vote in the below format.

For salary cap, I vote for (80 or 100) Million.
If the majority vote for 80 Million, then my choice is (DH or NO DH)
If the majority vote for 100 Million, then my choice is (DH or NO DH)
My draft order choice for the Live Draft is (anything not picked from 1 to 12)

Once a player has POSTED his selection and I see it, it is considered FINAL and cannot be changed.

The Live Draft will be held on SOM's live draft app - Due to limitations of the SOM app, we will draft all 25 players plus a stadium on the app. This will be a serpentine (snake) draft with a 2 hour time limit per pick. Any stadium is allowed in the Finals, so long as it is Drafted. The clock will be turned on for 2 hours per pick for the draft.

Last years 3 hour pick per turn was considered too long and not necessary. This topic may still be debatable.

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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostFri Nov 27, 2020 7:59 am

1. grazoontite 100 Mil (100-YES DH 80-YES DH) 1st Pick
2. labratory
3. RiggoDrill
4. garyclausen01
5. bk7171
6. BruceF
7. Goreds54
8. BDWard 511
9. sjudd 511
10. Semi-finals winner with most Wins in their Semi-Final League
11. Semi-finals winner with the next most Wins in their Semi-Final League
12. Semi-finals winner with the fewest Wins in their Semi-Final Leagu
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 11:57 am

Hopefully, in the future, all caps played in the qualifying rounds will be eligible for use in the Finals. I've never quite understood why $80 mil and $100 mil are the only choices, as the managers who make the Finals have generally proven that they are adept at playing at any cap.

There is no particular urgency to vote now, as the Semis leagues are 2 months from completion. It would be nice to know the Semis winners before casting a vote.

Also, by the time the Semis are completed, the scheduled card addition of late December, 2020 of at least 75 cards to the ATG card set will have occurred, which could impact managers' cap choice.

In addition to the currently unknown new cards from the 2019 BSers Finals playoff managers being added, the following new cards are scheduled to be added at the end of December:

1928 Garland Braxton WAS SP
1936 Hal Trosky, Indians, 1B
1951 Yogi Berra NYY C
1933 Mickey Cochrane PHA C
1959 Al Kaline Detroit OF
1942 Johnny Vander Meer CIN SP
1950 Dom DiMaggio BOS CF
1962 Mickey Mantle NYY CF/RF
1963 Earl Battey, Twins, C
1970 Cito Gaston, Padres, CF
1977 Andre Thornton CLE 1B
1971 Don Wilson HOU SP
1986 Jesse Barfield, Blue Jays, RF/CF
1993 Alex Fernandez, CWS SP
1997 Darryl Kile HOU SP
1973 Steve Rogers, Expos SP
2004 Hideki Matsui, NYY LF
1896 Cupid Childs 2b
1921 Austin McHenry StL OF
1979 John Wockenfuss DET C/1B/OF
2003 Esteban Loaiza CWS SP
1935 Billy Rogell, DET SS
2010 Hong-Chih Kuo LAN LRP
1977 Eric Soderholm CWS 3b
1977 Ted Simmons Stl C

1916 Harry Coveleski DET
1898 Kid Nichols SP
1925 Al Wingo DET LF/CF
1958 Jackie Jensen, Red Sox
1972 Joe Rudi, Oakland A's, LF
2019 Christian Yelich MIL
1973 Thurman Munson. NYY
1975 Al Hrabosky St Louis RP
1933 Wally Berger Braves OF
2002 Pat Burrell PHI Bats-R
2004 Adam Dunn CIN 1b/LF
2004 Sean Casey Reds 1B
1965 Sonny Siebert, RHSP, Indians
1915 Ernie Shore Red Sox SP
1977 Al Bumbry BAL LF
2017 Tommy Pham STL OF
1926 Les Bell, Cardinals, 3b/SS
1983 Bob Horner, Braves 3B
1906 Tully Sparks PHI Throws-R
1956 Charlie Maxwell DET OF
2005 Mark Ellis OAK 2B
1993 Duane Ward TOR RP
2008 Ryan Ludwick OF
1937 Cliff Melton NYG SP
1914 Bill Doak, SP

1991 Minnesota Twins
C Brian Harper
1B Kent Hrbek
2B Chuck Knoblauch
SS Greg Gagne
3B Mike Pagliarulo
LF Dan Gladden
CF Kirby Puckett
RF Shane Mack
DH Chili Davis
UT Gene Larkin
IF Al Newman
3B Scott Leius
RF Randy Bush
RF Pedro Munoz
C Junior Ortiz
SP Jack Morris
SP Kevin Tapani
SP Scott Erickson
SP Allan Anderson
SP David West
RP Mark Guthrie
RP Carl Willis
RP Steve Bedrosian
RP Terry Leach
2001 RP Eddie Guardado

Since a a vote cannot be changed, it should be made with both eyes wide open instead of half shut.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 3:52 pm

BDWard brings up a good point. There's no reason to rush and it's possible that someone's choice of cap and DH would be affected by the card drop.
If we have several votes already counted it would be too late to undo the votes already cast.
I'm willing to wait on my pick until there is more time for people to comment.
If Grazoontite has a change of heart on the vote already cast, that would be OK with me.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSat Nov 28, 2020 10:27 pm

The standard "auto league" is still 80 Mil. However IMHO it should be 100 which remains the most popular and most played cap. All of the rest are at the extreme ends of the spectrum. We all know 200 Mil is a crap shoot and certainly when played with the Autodraft. Bad draft, you lose. We wouldn't have a 200 Mil Event had the board not overruled me. I'm STILL thinking about checking in with them on that topic again.

60 Mil also presents specific challenges. I think it's hardly appropriate for a Barnstormers Final.

As you mentioned, we do have some time so I am open to continuing to discuss the topic. I'd like more opinions on why you want to allow caps that high (or low). I make note of a casual observation Bernie that you seem to thrive on the higher caps.

As far as new players being added, we have always played with whatever players are available AT THE TIME of league creation. I know I will get flack for this comment but I REALLY don't see how any player who is IN THE SET or NOT IN THE SET can affect how a manager does in the Finals or any other event.

MM
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSun Nov 29, 2020 2:54 pm

Does that list of players include cards that were requested from last year's Barnstormer's Finals league? I asked for '84 Cal Ripken Jr. - don't see him in that list.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostSun Nov 29, 2020 11:28 pm

I put in for Tim Wakefield. I forget the year- 2004 or 2005 maybe?
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostMon Nov 30, 2020 12:51 pm

labratory wrote:I put in for Tim Wakefield. I forget the year- 2004 or 2005 maybe?


Having "Tim Wakefield" has nothing to do with winning or not winning the Barnstormers Championship. If you aren't going to "discuss" the merits of caps other than 80 and 100, this "discussion" will fade away and I will be right back to requiring people to post their votes NOW and get this moving the way I intended.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostMon Nov 30, 2020 6:02 pm

Sorry. Didn't mean to derail the conversation.

I enjoy other caps just because they require different ways of approaching the team. But I agree that the BS finals should be either $80 or $100 mil.
If you want my vote now, I'm happy to give it.
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Re: 2020 Finals Vote for CAP/DH/Draft Order

PostMon Nov 30, 2020 6:18 pm

I asked for discussion, I will wait for discussion. If we don't get anything SOLID as to why extreme caps should be considered for the Finals, I will call for your vote. Say a week.
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