Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostSat May 23, 2020 2:34 am

In the end, 24 more players than before will have something to look forward to after 6 tough rounds. And ALL of them will get to play that Semi-Final for free with the free credit for everyone advancing. That PLUS the Windows SOM game for all those reaching the WS in their Semi-Final. That's 6 more physical prizes than existed in 2019. All of this is negotiated with SOM and it doesn't come easy.

Yeah 2 players withdrew over it but it could have been worse. Tough decisions have to be made but the board and I do send emails to each other and discuss what they think is best for the tour. Just like their vote on whether to use the (then) default set or the ALL ERAS. Rather than quickly decide on my own, I called an Emergency Vote. I'm pleased that we had a role in reversing an unpopular debut to ATG9, no matter which side you were on.

I looked back through my records and I find we go back to at least 2005. Probably undocumented a few more years before that. I have always wanted to maintain the CORE of Barnstormers and only make steps in tweaking things for the better. And if you've been around long enough, you may remember when we went straight to the Finals. The Semi-Finals was created as the participants grew. And for a few years now, we've been able to play that Semi-Finals for free.

The Board and I (particularly Mr Baseball World) were instrumental in the continued development of a Live Draft App that finally mimics the functionality of Diamond Dope. Countless hours of testing finally achieved all that we wanted. It's solid enough to make optional live draft leagues for the 140 and 200 Mil events.

I read all of the suggestions made here and I know the board members do stop in and read them. And of course there is always a wide variety of opinions. As far as Finalists getting that bye, I believe that it's such a tough road to get there that we don't want to decrease those numbers. So the only topic that I will consider will be what future changes (if any) will be made for the Semi-Finals.

Maybe our numbers will get back to the previous levels when we look at 2021. It's possible that we can get back to 12 team semi-finals. But - so far with all of the changes that ATG9 has brought with repricing and long requested bullpen changes, this is shaping up to be one of the most challenging and highly anticipated thing that many of us look forward to on a daily basis. - Stay safe and may the ball bounce in your favor. :D
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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostSat May 23, 2020 7:03 am

djmacb wrote:The Barnstormers Board stood by and watched ...


Understood, but there is a key difference between SOM and the BS board. One group we pay in order to patronize its service. The other group is comprised of volunteers who also pay to patronize the same service.

BLUF: It took a massive upwelling of influence from paying customers, out in the open, in order to undo a change that was influenced by a few behind the scenes. That is strange to me.

SOM made an unannounced change--without checking with the community--to a product/service we pay for. And it was impacting how that service was provided. Just because you or I didn't have trouble moving over a few pixels and reading, doesn't change the fact that the unannounced change created a binary set of leagues that weren't filling. That's the reality. So yes, pitchforks came out--though I don't agree with the implication of the analogy if I read you right.

So to emphasize, yeah, pitchforks come out when an exceedingly small group of fellow customers determine the player pool prices--and then somehow there is a change to the business model in how I interact with a product I pay for, which affected league formation. Clutching my pearls here--without outreach to the community by the game company--that I pay my money to.
Then it takes a massive upwelling of influence from paying customers, out in the open, in order to undo change that was influenced by a few behind the scenes. Now that is strange to me.

If you don't see the difference, then we are at an impasse.

The tourney is an add-on--it provides an outlet we pay nothing extra for, and I think since its first rendition the facts show unequivocally a voluntary event that has grown in scope. It may be because it is something people want to participate in. We can at least rule out that it grew because it sucked.

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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostSat May 23, 2020 7:35 am

Just happy for the tourney. As was said, earlier in the thread:

"Playoffs? Don't talk about—playoffs?! You kidding me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game!"
-Jim Mora


Appreciative of the BS volunteers. Thank you--this is pretty cool.

I know we all have feelings, some of them strong, about different things. As it should be in life. For me I have a sense of befuddlement. The metagame is wholly different now (especially for me, who relied so heavily on super-relieving in my approach), not just the prices. Among other things I am struggling with how to evaluate players. Just because they are cheaper than before doesn't mean they are a good fit for my team (or any team!). Just because they are more expensive doens't mean they aren't still an awesome fit.

So it has been, and continues to be, fascinating to (try to) relearn this game. Again, thanks to the BS crew.

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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostSat May 23, 2020 12:38 pm

It should also be mentioned that SOM - DOES NOT dictate any part of our tour. Never has. WE decide every word, every section of the rules. Some people in email (when they are upset with a decision or a ruling - for example a penalty) tell me they are going to report me to SOM. - SOM doesn't care and wont get involved. If I say assign a penalty - they do it. If I say I want to change the wording of the rules, they do it.

Has the board ever influenced the tournament? All the time. I listen to their opinions and even their votes. We wouldn't have a 200 Mil event if it weren't for them overruling me. I still don't like the 200 Mil event but they outvoted me and that's why we still have it today. I was considering a 120 Mil event, they said NO. - I get their help all the time. Andy personally filtered all the new ATG9 stadiums into the groupings. We all know the massive amount of work Rick (Mr Baseball World) put into the Live Draft. The "choice" event was a suggestion that came from one of them. They are valuable allies and keep me from doing stupid things.

When you are sitting there at that MLB Stadium with your family after you have won the tournament, only then will you appreciate all the work and the time you put in to develop and manage your team to reap those rewards.

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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostWed Jun 03, 2020 1:55 pm

My thought on Barnstormer semi-final to final graduation:
I believe there should be some type of "reward" or "home field advantage" component for those managers who scored the most points through the first 6 rounds of the tournament. So, I propose a continuation of the points system to determine the final spots in the Barnstormers final. Of course, merely continuing the Barnstormer points into the semi-final round will give those outside the top 20 or so virtually no chance of advancing to the finals. Therefore, I suggest a reset of points equal to 1/5 of each semi-finals accumulated Barnstormer points earned through the Barnstormer "regular season". I chose 1/5 because of the 5 scores that count towards determining semi-final participants. I looked back for the prior 3 Barnstormers standings and this would give the managers who just missed the finals cutoff an approximate 15 point advantage over the managers who finished around 80th. Digging further using this method, an 80th place participant entering the semi-finals would have had to score 110-113 Barnstormer points (95-98 win team that wins a ring) in order to qualify for the finals. Also, the 2019 finals participants would have remained the same using this approach, while in 2018 and 2017 one manager (amazingly the same one - Outta Leftfield) would have benefited from the point reset advantage over managers whose semi-final teams won a ring while winning 85 games in the regular season (both these teams were in semi-final 2).
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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostWed Jun 03, 2020 4:49 pm

Dougess wrote:My thought on Barnstormer semi-final to final graduation:
I believe there should be some type of "reward" or "home field advantage" component for those managers who scored the most points through the first 6 rounds of the tournament. So, I propose a continuation of the points system to determine the final spots in the Barnstormers final. Of course, merely continuing the Barnstormer points into the semi-final round will give those outside the top 20 or so virtually no chance of advancing to the finals. Therefore, I suggest a reset of points equal to 1/5 of each semi-finals accumulated Barnstormer points earned through the Barnstormer "regular season". I chose 1/5 because of the 5 scores that count towards determining semi-final participants. I looked back for the prior 3 Barnstormers standings and this would give the managers who just missed the finals cutoff an approximate 15 point advantage over the managers who finished around 80th. Digging further using this method, an 80th place participant entering the semi-finals would have had to score 110-113 Barnstormer points (95-98 win team that wins a ring) in order to qualify for the finals. Also, the 2019 finals participants would have remained the same using this approach, while in 2018 and 2017 one manager (amazingly the same one - Outta Leftfield) would have benefited from the point reset advantage over managers whose semi-final teams won a ring while winning 85 games in the regular season (both these teams were in semi-final 2).
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This or something similar is an excellent idea. The six qualifying leagues should count for something for finishers 10 - 81.
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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostFri Jun 05, 2020 4:01 pm

I could be wrong...but I think the tournament set-up is locked in for 2020. Any discussion about changes basically wont be considered until 2021. But you can check with Mighty Moose on that.
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Re: Barnstormers 2020 - expanded Semi-Finals now with Prizes

PostFri Jun 05, 2020 5:05 pm

freeman wrote:I could be wrong...but I think the tournament set-up is locked in for 2020. Any discussion about changes basically wont be considered until 2021. But you can check with Mighty Moose on that.


Yes, sorry for not making it clear. I would not expect any changes to what was announced for the current tour. My thought would apply to future years.
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