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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostFri Aug 25, 2017 3:21 pm

Tried to email this to Mighty Moose but the email got kicked back so I'll post it. Just an explanation of recent roster changes that (hopefully) indicate I'm not just a self-sabotaging idiot (rather, an idiot in the draft):

I'm guessing this isn't as much of an issue given the $140m cap, but just in case it raises any eyebrows I wanted to explain the roster changes I just did for Darwin Barniequests2 in Event #5 league 10.

Went from $5.49m Campanelle/ $4.27m Delancey platoon to the $7.51m Campanella full time card. Puts more dollar value in my starting lineup plus Delancey sucks I never should have drafted him; I was getting too cute with my roster.

Dropped Herb Score (7.91) for Hal Newhouser (7.24). Herb was the wrong card for my power-heavy ballpark and division - giving up 38hr in 99 innings.

Switched out Suggs for Wilcy Moore to make the above possible.

I realize in-season roster changes are generally a loser's game but I wanted to explain my rationale. -matt
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostFri Aug 25, 2017 4:05 pm

Thanks for the post. I will give it a shot passing it to moose. He's the boss but my understanding is that you only are at risk if you drop your roster value to below 90% of the original amount. At 140 mill that would mean falling below 126 million. You are above 137 mill as I recall and a long way off. Always good to be proactive though so appreciate your post.
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostFri Aug 25, 2017 4:37 pm

I dropped my Sonic account. Use my Comcast mail to reach me, like MrBBW did.

Yes like Rick said, this is not a concern until your salary APPROACHES the 10% below cap level area. And by that time, you will most likely already have found yourself losing even MORE than ever before due to just having made that many changes.

Some strategic roster changes are always welcome, but the players that lost control of their teams were showing some 45-55 drops in both pitching and hitting. Some tendencies I was seeing was dropping a player they just acquired after only a single 3 game set. THAT mindset is just tossing money away.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostThu Jun 07, 2018 12:55 pm

This has happened again in Barnstormers 2018. A team was taken over as a massively out of whack division is now on display. It's not something I like to do, to make a decision to have SOM take over a team but complaints from others in the league forced action to be taken. As I said, a pattern of dropping players will generally WORSEN the chances of a team getting better.

If you just look at the top 20 players in the Barnstormers standings, you wont find anyone with a sizable drop in overall team net worth, or more than 1 or 2 player changes. It's just not the mark of a top player.

I'll try to flag this post and mention it in the next general league loading announcement.
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostWed Jul 31, 2019 9:49 am

Please take a look at event 3 league 4 team with 20 percent drop
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostThu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 pm

I've notified the player and I will also ask SOM to take a look. This is surprising from such a long term Barnstormers player.
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostThu Aug 01, 2019 2:27 pm

SOM and I have looked at this and discussed it at considerable length. We are in agreement that this is detrimental to the league and this team, we have decided to reverse the transactions. Normally, we would also have SOM assume ownership of the team. In this case, this is a loyal Barnstormers player and this is his 6th consecutive year playing the event. We will allow him to keep ownership this one time. But if we see any more dropping of team value during this season, I will not hesitate to remove him from control of his team. SOM will reverse the most current drops.
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostThu Aug 01, 2019 2:58 pm

mighty moose wrote:SOM and I have looked at this and discussed it at considerable length. We are in agreement that this is detrimental to the league and this team, we have decided to reverse the transactions. Normally, we would also have SOM assume ownership of the team. In this case, this is a loyal Barnstormers player and this is his 6th consecutive year playing the event. We will allow him to keep ownership this one time. But if we see any more dropping of team value during this season, I will not hesitate to remove him from control of his team. SOM will bring the value back to at least 95 Mil and the player will be warned of future consequences.

Can I have my transactions removed as well? I'm in his division , and reacted to his moves. No, I don't expect that to happen. But when the division made itself less vulnerable to Seaver, I figured well, go with a cheaper backward lefty and improve the offense. It still might be the right move; we shall see.
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostSat Aug 03, 2019 11:51 am

That's an interesting second order effect.

I think it also illustrates the ineffectiveness of trying to ensure "good" competition.

After all, someone can draft a horrible team (and some do) for their situation, still be at the proper valuation, and still upset the balance of competition through bad choices. Should we reverse poorly constructed teams who play at a .350 winning % ? This is what causes a lack of parity--which, after all, is what we all seek anyway in trying to win. Nobody strives to win their division or league with an 81-81 mark, by tiebreak.

The concern is appreciated, but I have to say if I ever had transactions reversed or similar, I would easily be finding other ways to spend discretionary $. And no--have not done it to this extent and I am not familiar with this league, just an observation.
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Re: Dumping players will get you in big trouble.

PostSat Aug 03, 2019 3:48 pm

What I am hoping to pass on to those who read this and to the player in question, is that no top 20 Barnstormers player makes changes during the course of the season that reduces overall salary for their team. One, maybe two changes - maximum only during the 5% penalty phase of a 5-10-20% but is more likely to tweak lineups and settings. If you think dropping a 6 Mil player and getting a 5.5 Mil player in return will perform BETTER than what you had, you would be dead wrong.

The player in question here has a long history of being addicted to roster changes. Never less than 10, often up to 25 players dropped per team. He has played his 6 years on the Barnstormers tour with little success, never venturing close to winning a spot in the Semi-Finals. You need to place in Top 50 or so - his finishes over the last 6 years - 138-122-125-130-143- and this year so far, below 140th place.

There is a DIRCT correlation of dropping salary and dropping down and down in the standings. I hope we can get that across here. There are more people on the Barnstormers Tour that play the game this way. And I guess that's how this thread got started.
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