200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

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200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostWed Jul 12, 2017 10:02 pm

This is a work in progress. I'm listing the top 50 players based on their respective value in a 200M 12-team setting.

Ranking is based on WAR, which is Wins above replacement. Gehrig has 3.6 WAR in my ratings. So basically, your team is likely to lose 4 wins than if you replace him by what is probably the best first baseman that stands in the FA pool (think Jim Bottomley, who stands at nearly 0 WAR).

My ratings incorporate offense, defense, running, clutch, and roughly everything that counts for pitching, including gbA. There are still a few players for whom I still don't have gbA, so as the title says, it's a work in progress. New cards were incorporated, but I think I forgot the new Kershaw card (I'll update it). But gbA are missing for new players, so their WAR value will change somewhat.

WAR is listed in the second column besides the salary. Right you have for offensive players the value for Runs generated vs rhp and for Runs generated vs lhp. For pitchers, you have the expected number of innings and the calculated ERA in a 200 environment.

This is listed in a neutral stadium, which asssumed a HR=12/12 on both sides.

The babe's best card is the 16.47M card. His WAR is 8.2. He will give your team roughly 8 more wins than Joe Medwick, a replacement outfielder vs both lhp and rhp.

MODIFIED TOP 50
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1. Babe 8.2 WAR
2-3 Bonds/Gibson 7.4 WAR
4. Hornsby 6.2 WAR
5. Mantle 5.1 WAR
6-9 Fox/ Morgan/ Brett/ Lajoie 4.5 to 4.4 WAR
10-11 Charleston/ Vaughan 4.1-4.2 WAR
12-16 Bagwell Gehrig Williams Maddux Schmidt 4.0-3.9 WAR
17. Pedro in a 5-men rotation (but consider him lower if you mix *SP) 3.8 WAR
18-22 Thomas McGwire Duffy Barnes Mauer 3.4 to 3.6 WAR
23-29 Dimaggio Beckwith as 3rd Speaker Walker Dihigo as 2nd Piazza Kershaw 4-day 3.0--3.2 WAR
30-31. Simmons Larkin 2.9 WAR
32-36 ARod 2005/ Wells/ Kiner/ Alexander/ Johnson (sp) 2.6-2.7 WAR
(2nd cards) ARod 2007 and Pedro 3-day rest 2.5 WAR
37-42 Mays 11.69 card, Jeter, Wagner, Cobb 11.41 card, Harper Gagné 2.3-2.5 WAR
43-50 Walsh/ Eckersley/ Musial/ Rolen/ Jackson/ Pujols/ Boudreau/ Aaron 2.1-2.2 WAR


Ratings are based on a few assumptions, namely that the player sits on the bench when he is best used in a platoon---although I still assume that we will use his bad side a few times (20% for lefty crushers, 10% for right-handed sluggers). Pitching is based on 53%-47% and 24%-76% ratio for pitchers, and 27%-73% lefty-righty for hitters). You have below the amount of innings I assume a pitcher will give his team in a season based on which I evaluate his WAR. I gave lefty starting pitchers a small penalty, although I believe that in real life, the penalty is bigger than shown here in my ratings.

WAR is based on the player listed position, so if you play Mays at another position than centerfielder, his WAR value will be somewhat decreased because his defense will less contribute than in centerfield. Neverthess, I assumed that the bench replacement value would be of the same value for all three outfield positions. Just makes my life easier.
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostWed Jul 12, 2017 10:29 pm

Per position.

Outfielders are mixed as if it was one position, but the position indicates where the player can generate the maximal value.

Generally, I only kept the player's best card, but I made a few exceptions for AROD (3b card and ss card) and Ott (of and 3b card). Also, I listed a few *SP and (non*) SP among starting pitchers.

I created a new category for reliever, the RPS, relief pitcher specialist. I consider the value if they were used almost strictly on their best side

Players who are worth zero WAR are usually listed by better overall card, but there might be exceptions. But in any case, they shouldn't be starers in a 200M league, except to back up for injuries.

Players with *L and *R have their value estimated based on a platoon system. If they place full time, their value would decrease sharply. A player like Morgan doesn't have a *L, because his value vs lefties is among the top 12 for second base. Of course, this is possible only because I assume that he will hit some right-handed relievers (I assume that a player that starts vs lhp will face 20% of right-handed pitchers). The fact that Morgan is among top 12 is also the consequence of the poor replacement value at second base. Brett has a *L because the replacement level of 3rd baseman vs lhp is much better.

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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   POS
Williams, Ted_______   12,03   3,54   _dh
Thomas, Frank_______   11,39   3,10   _dh
Kiner, Ralph________   10,64   2,36   _dh
Thome, Jim__________   9,69   1,95   _dh *R
Wilson, Hack________   9,38   1,73   _dh
Delgado, Carlos_____   9,49   1,23   _dh *R
O'Neill, Tip________   8,90   1,19   _dh *L
Sheffield, Gary_____   8,01   0,94   _dh
Belle, Albert_______   8,35   0,88   _dh
Fielder, Cecil______   6,22   0,87   _dh *L
Ortiz, David________   7,35   0,72   _dh *R
Suttles, Mule_______   8,03   0,56   _dh *R
Giles, Brian________   7,82   0,56   _dh *R
Robinson, Neil______   5,22   0,52   _dh *L
Hafner, Travis______   7,06   0,31   _dh *L
Herman, Babe________   8,34   0,21   _dh *L
Thompson, Sam_______   8,06   0,20   _dh
Howard, Frank_______   5,86   0,14   _dh *L
Brown, Gates________   5,07   0,12   _dh *R
Scales, Tubby_______   6,51   0,05   _dh *L
Mize, Johnny________   8,61   0,03   _dh
Daniels, Kal________   3,98   0,00   _dh *R
Wynn, Jimmy_________   7,10   0,00   _dh *R
O'Doul, Lefty_______   7,76   0,00   _dh
Molitor, Paul_______   6,22   0,00   _dh *R
Kelley, Joe_________   7,47   0,00   _dh
Guerrero, Pedro_____   6,41   0,00   _dh *R
Killebrew, Harmon___   6,66   0,00   _dh *L
Carty, Rico_________   5,20   0,00   _dh *L


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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   POS
Foxx, Jimmie________   13,11   4,12   1b
Bagwell, Jeff_______   11,50   3,89   1b
Gehrig, Lou_________   11,89   3,59   1b
McGwire, Mark_______   10,82   3,02   1b
Giambi, Jason_______   9,51   1,88   1b  *R
Musial, Stan________   10,86   1,77   1b
Cash, Norm__________   9,19   1,70   1b   *R
Pujols, Albert______   10,31   1,65   1b
Gentile, Jim________   7,85   1,08   1b  *R
Olerud, John________   9,00   1,03   1b  *R
McCovey, Willie_____   9,31   1,01   1b
Helton, Todd________   9,90   1,01   1b
Lee, Derrek_________   9,40   0,64   1b *L
Sisler, George______   10,27   0,44   1b
Goldschmidt, Paul___   9,80   0,41   1b *L
Adcock, Joe_________   7,37   0,34   1b *L
Galarraga, Andres___   3,29   0,24   1b *L
Bottomley, Jim______   8,80   0,06   1b
Greenberg, Hank_____   8,88   0,06   1b *L
Cepeda, Orlando_____   6,73   0,02   1b
Leonard, Buck_______   7,95   0,00   1b  *R
Brouthers, Dan______   8,42   0,00   1b
Pena, Carlos________   7,07   0,00   1b  *R
Carew, Rod__________   8,56   0,00   1b
Votto, Joey_________   8,28   0,00   1b  *R
Palmeiro, Rafael____   7,66   0,00   1b  *R
 


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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   POS
Hornsby, Rogers_____   13,00   6,03   2b
Morgan, Joe_________   10,30   4,41   2b
Lajoie, Nap_________   10,64   4,32   2b
Barnes, Ross________   11,44   3,37   2b
Dihigo, Martin______   9,32   3,05   2b
Boone, Bret_________   10,02   1,91   2b
Collins, Eddie______   10,49   1,75   2b
Biggio, Craig_______   9,34   1,31   2b
Sandberg, Ryne______   8,35   1,10   2b  *R
Gehringer, Charlie__   9,45   1,04   2b  *R
Alomar, Roberto_____   9,30   0,96   2b  *R
Rogan, Bullet Joe___   7,86   0,56   2b *L
Johnson, Home Run___   6,47   0,45   2b *L
Hodapp, Johnny______   5,81   0,31   2b *L
Robinson, Jackie____   7,69   0,17   2b  *R
Lazzeri, Tony_______   7,81   0,16   2b
Zobrist, Ben________   7,19   0,12   2b *L
Stennett, Rennie____   4,73   0,05   2b *L
Frisch, Frankie_____   6,79   0,01   2b *L
Gordon, Joe_________   7,75   0,00   2b
Knoblauch, Chuck____   8,15   0,00   2b
Doerr, Bobby________   7,25   0,00   2b
Cano, Robinson______   8,16   0,00   2b
Schoendienst, Red___   7,59   0,00   2b  *R
Monroe, Bill________   6,89   0,00   2b *L
Evers, Johnny_______   6,48   0,00   2b  *R
Pedroia, Dustin_____   7,48   0,00   2b *L
Alfonzo, Edgardo____   6,70   0,00   2b  *R
Randolph, Willie____   6,22   0,00   2b *L
Grabarkewitz, Billy_   5,50   0,00   2b  *R
Stanky, Eddie_______   6,14   0,00   2b
 


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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   POS
Brett, George_______   10,93   3,76   3b  *R
Schmidt, Mike_______   9,75   3,29   3b
Beckwith, John______   9,81   2,46   3b
Rodriguez, Alex_____   9,53   1,83   3b *R
Rolen, Scott________   9,56   1,61   3b
Allen, Dick_________   7,88   1,14   3b  *L
Boggs, Wade_________   9,60   1,06   3b *R
Clift, Harlond______   9,07   0,99   3b  *L
Hodges, Gil_________   6,82   0,98   3b  *L
Torriente, Cristobal   7,68   0,98   3b *R
Beltre, Adrian______   8,50   0,86   3b *R
Glaus, Troy_________   7,38   0,83   3b  *L
Mathews, Eddie______   9,14   0,79   3b *R
Cabrera, Miguel_____   9,70   0,69   3b
Williams, Matt______   6,37   0,48   3b  *L
Jones, Chipper______   9,71   0,45   3b  *L
Caminiti, Ken_______   9,48   0,33   3b  *L
Brosius, Scott______   5,59   0,33   3b  *L
Santo, Ron__________   7,80   0,31   3b *R
Wright, David_______   7,96   0,03   3b  *L
Rosen, Al___________   9,06   0,02   3b *R
Ott, Mel____________   7,77   0,02   3b
Donaldson, Josh_____   7,38   0,00   3b *L
Wilson, Jud_________   8,14   0,00   3b
 


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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   POS
Gibson, Josh________   13,47   7,36   c
Mauer, Joe__________   9,23   3,11   c
Piazza, Mike________   9,93   2,58   c
Posey, Buster_______   7,99   1,56   c *L
Lopez, Javy_________   7,82   1,20   c
Hartnett, Gabby_____   8,18   1,17   c *R
Campanella, Roy_____   7,51   0,92   c
Dickey, Bill________   7,77   0,81   c *R
Howard, Elston______   6,98   0,73   c *L
Dietz, Dick_________   7,04   0,73   c *L
Cochrane, Mickey____   7,14   0,64   c *R
Johnson, Oscar Heavy   7,15   0,45   c
Molina, Yadier______   7,43   0,40   c *L
Carter, Gary________   7,75   0,35   c *L
Bench, Johnny_______   7,69   0,31   c *L
Rodriguez, Ivan_____   6,69   0,14   c *R
Hoiles, Chris_______   7,17   0,09   c *L
Haller, Tom_________   6,11   0,09   c *R
Mackey, Biz_________   6,97   0,05   c *R
Palm, Spoony________   6,25   0,04   c
Kendall, Jason______   5,89   0,00   c *L
Fisk, Carlton_______   6,83   0,00   c *R
Berra, Yogi_________   6,65   0,00   c
Posada, Jorge_______   7,19   0,00   c


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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   POS
Ruth, Babe__________   16,47   8,11   lf
Bonds, Barry________   14,54   7,21   lf
Mantle, Mickey______   13,97   4,91   cf
Charleston, Oscar___   12,89   4,14   cf
Duffy, Hugh_________   11,75   3,28   cf
Dimaggio, Joe_______   11,57   3,04   cf
Walker, Larry_______   10,85   2,93   rf
Speaker, Tris_______   11,91   2,87   cf
Simmons, Al_________   10,58   2,68   lf
Mays, Willie________   11,69   2,27   cf
Harper, Bryce_______   11,53   2,16   rf
Cobb, Ty____________   11,41   2,15   cf
Lynn, Fred__________   9,13   2,15   cf
Jackson, Reggie_____   10,13   1,98   rf
Hamilton, Josh______   9,58   1,92   lf
Aaron, Hank_________   11,51   1,74   rf
Jackson, Joe________   9,16   1,53   rf
Clark, Jack_________   9,09   1,49   rf
Averill, Earl_______   10,73   1,41   cf
Stearnes, Turkey____   10,41   1,37   cf
Yastrzemski, Carl___   9,69   1,37   lf
Robinson, Frank_____   9,45   1,36   lf
Lezcano, Sixto______   9,74   1,34   rf
Stargell, Willie____   7,80   1,33   lf
Griffey Jr., Ken____   9,91   1,27   cf
Snider, Duke________   10,70   1,22   cf
Henderson, Rickey___   8,75   1,18   lf
Edmonds, Jim________   9,08   1,11   cf
Ramirez, Manny______   7,99   1,02   rf
Trout, Mike_________   10,51   0,89   lf
Brown, Willard______   8,55   0,87   cf
Murcer, Bobby_______   8,61   0,85   cf
Gonzalez, Juan______   6,70   0,78   rf
Strawberry, Darryl__   8,43   0,64   rf
Davis, Eric_________   8,38   0,56   cf
Burks, Ellis________   9,08   0,55   lf
McCutchen, Andrew___   8,75   0,55   cf
Cuyler, Kiki________   10,01   0,47   rf
Van Slyke, Andy_____   7,58   0,41   cf
Ordonez, Magglio____   9,62   0,40   rf
Guerrero, Vladimir__   9,13   0,35   rf
Dawson, Andre_______   7,21   0,34   cf
Heilmann, Harry_____   9,27   0,33   lf
Murphy, Dale________   6,93   0,30   cf
Winfield, Dave______   8,28   0,29   rf
Smith, Reggie_______   7,07   0,29   rf
Medwick, Joe________   8,95   0,27   lf
Gonzalez, Luis______   10,15   0,27   lf
Colavito, Rocky_____   8,32   0,25   rf
Delahanty, Ed_______   8,31   0,24   lf
Wright, Wild Bill___   8,18   0,23   rf
Rettenmund, Merv____   5,41   0,19   lf
Otis, Amos__________   6,94   0,15   cf
Jones, Cleon________   6,68   0,05   lf
Evans, Dwight_______   7,44   0,02   rf
Cedeno, Cesar_______   9,75   0,00   cf
Alou, Moises________   7,78   0,00   lf
Clemente, Roberto___   6,84   0,00   rf
Ott, Mel____________   9,05   0,00   cf
Williams, Ken_______   8,65   0,00   lf
Smith, Chino________   9,18   0,00   rf
O'Neill, Paul_______   8,12   0,00   rf
Green, Shawn________   8,48   0,00   rf
Kelly, King_________   7,83   0,00   rf
Kaline, Al__________   8,54   0,00   rf
Hamilton, Billy_____   9,00   0,00   lf
Hafey, Chick________   7,47   0,00   rf
Flick, Elmer________   8,83   0,00   rf
Abreu, Bobby________   8,78   0,00   rf
Waner, Paul_________   9,45   0,00   rf
Salmon, Tim_________   8,51   0,00   rf
Gwynn, Tony_________   7,68   0,00   rf
 


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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   POS
Vaughan, Arky_______   10,20   3,85   ss
Larkin, Barry_______   10,62   2,51   ss
Wells, Willie_______   10,03   2,28   ss
Rodriguez, Alex_____   10,33   2,22   ss
Jeter, Derek________   10,61   2,15   ss *R
Wagner, Honus_______   11,25   2,05   ss
Boudreau, Lou_______   9,91   1,73   ss
Jennings, Hughie____   8,94   1,72   ss
Yount, Robin________   10,03   1,22   ss
Renteria, Edgar_____   6,54   0,68   ss *L
Cronin, Joe_________   7,42   0,54   ss *L
Ripken Jr., Cal_____   9,80   0,54   ss *L
Ramirez, Hanley_____   7,38   0,53   ss *R
Banks, Ernie________   9,43   0,50   ss *L
Dahlen, Bill________   6,66   0,40   ss *R
Garciaparra, Nomar__   7,76   0,37   ss *R
Petrocelli, Rico____   7,51   0,20   ss *R
Tulowitzki, Troy____   7,72   0,10   ss *L
Trammell, Alan______   8,24   0,03   ss
Appling, Luke_______   7,62   0,00   ss *L
Rizzuto, Phil_______   8,46   0,00   ss  *L
Tejada, Miguel______   7,18   0,00   ss *R
 


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NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   INN __ERA
Maddux, Greg________   11,30   4,94   275   5,10   SP
Martinez, Pedro_____   9,38   4,60   219   4,83   SP
Kershaw, Clayton____   9,77   3,80   219   5,14   SP
Alexander, Pete_____   10,99   2,96   266   5,70   SP
Johnson, Walter_____   10,98   2,86   280   5,78   SP
Martinez, Pedro_____   10,85   2,72   255   5,73   SP SECOND CARD
Walsh, Ed___________   10,79   2,46   279   5,90   SP
Leonard, Dutch B.___   10,81   2,45   262   5,85   SP
Mathewson, Christy__   10,55   2,06   263   5,98   SP
Schupp, Ferdie______   10,13   2,04   214   5,84   SP
Adams, Babe_________   8,81   1,92   214   5,89   SP
Brown, Three Finger_   10,39   1,83   275   6,08   SP
Greinke, Zack_______   10,04   1,82   250   6,04   SP
Hecker, Guy_________   8,36   1,71   228   6,01   SP
Brown, Kevin________   9,86   1,70   249   6,06   SP
Arrieta, Jake_______   9,85   1,66   254   6,08   SP
Ford, Russ__________   10,38   1,59   274   6,16   SP
Koufax, Sandy_______   10,22   1,57   275   6,16   SP
Tiant, Luis_________   10,21   1,55   276   6,17   SP
Joss, Addie_________   10,19   1,52   273   6,18   SP
Kershaw, Clayton____   9,98   1,46   249   6,15   SP SECOND CARD
Sutton, Don_________   10,30   1,22   274   6,27   SP
Vance, Dazzy________   9,89   1,20   266   6,29   SP
Jones, Slim_________   8,09   1,14   215   6,21   SP
Clemens, Roger______   9,53   1,09   255   6,28   SP
Horlen, Joe_________   7,95   1,01   197   6,20   SP
Johnson, Randy______   9,41   1,01   249   6,27   SP
Marichal, Juan______   9,71   0,95   275   6,35   SP
Paige, Satchel______   9,41   0,88   254   6,35   SP
Reulbach, Ed________   9,75   0,84   266   6,39   SP
Wood, Joe___________   9,69   0,75   267   6,42   SP
Gibson, Bob_________   9,72   0,74   267   6,44   SP
Pfiester, Jack______   9,74   0,74   255   6,41   SP
Drysdale, Don_______   9,62   0,67   268   6,45   SP
Young, Cy___________   9,52   0,64   267   6,45   SP
Fernandez, Jose_____   7,10   0,63   180   6,36   SP
Gregg, Vean_________   8,83   0,63   264   6,46   SP
Bender, Chief_______   9,64   0,63   268   6,46   SP
Coveleski, Stan_____   9,49   0,56   254   6,47   SP
Cicotte, Eddie______   9,36   0,54   255   6,48   SP
Reulbach, Ed________   8,06   0,51   200   6,44   SP SECOND CARD
Camnitz, Howie______   9,41   0,49   252   6,49   SP
Carlton, Steve______   9,84   0,46   271   6,50   SP
Sale, Chris_________   7,00   0,40   183   6,44   SP
Seaver, Tom_________   9,85   0,33   272   6,56   SP
Hubbell, Carl_______   9,33   0,30   252   6,56   SP
White, Doc__________   9,38   0,26   268   6,58   SP
Keefe, Tim__________   9,47   0,20   265   6,60   SP
Adams, Babe_________   9,21   0,20   269   6,59   SP SECOND CARD
Radbourn, Charley___   9,51   0,18   266   6,60   SP
Russell, Reb________   8,94   0,17   245   6,60   SP
Vaughn, Hippo_______   9,35   0,16   263   6,61   SP
McDowell, Sam_______   9,60   0,16   252   6,56   SP
Baldwin, Lady_______   9,56   0,14   268   6,60   SP
Chance, Dean________   9,14   0,13   248   6,61   SP
Bradley, George_____   9,32   0,06   268   6,64   SP
Grove, Lefty________   9,18   0,03   262   6,65   SP
Verlander, Justin___   8,61   0,02   249   6,64   SP
Santana, Johan______   9,14   0,00   247   6,67   SP
Taylor, Jack________   9,18   -0,02   264   6,67   SP
Pierce, Billy_______   6,87   -0,04   211   6,71   SP
Spahn, Warren_______   9,07   -0,05   250   6,68   SP
Russo, Marius_______   7,43   -0,06   199   6,69   SP
McLain, Denny_______   9,47   -0,09   270   6,69   SP
Hershiser, Orel_____   8,75   -0,13   241   6,71   SP
Ryan, Nolan_________   7,13   -0,20   178   6,75   SP
Richard, J.R._______   6,67   -0,21   186   6,79   SP
Smith, Frank E._____   8,92   -0,22   251   6,73   SP
Pascual, Camilo_____   8,27   -0,22   254   6,74   SP
Guidry, Ron_________   9,22   -0,26   252   6,72   SP
Wood, Wilbur________   8,98   -0,37   263   6,77   SP
Coombs, Jack________   8,90   -0,42   258   6,80   SP


Code: Select all
NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   INN   ERA
Gagne, Eric_________   5,53   2,24   126   4,70   RP
Eckersley, Dennis___   5,44   2,05   126   4,84   RP
Rivera, Mariano_____   5,59   1,58   161   5,42   RP
Hoffman, Trevor_____   5,62   1,55   164   5,45   RP
Ryan, BJ____________   5,10   1,47   126   5,25   RP
Wagner, Billy_______   5,78   1,43   168   5,53   RP
Gordon, Tom_________   5,39   1,37   168   5,56   RP
Papelbon, Jonathan__   4,84   1,36   126   5,33   RP
Putz, JJ____________   5,10   1,33   126   5,35   RP
Sutter, Bruce_______   5,71   1,25   200   5,74   RP
Nathan, Joe_________   4,73   1,14   126   5,49   RP
Smith, Dave_________   5,34   0,99   167   5,77   RP
Charlton, Norm______   5,66   0,96   168   5,83   RP
Percival, Troy______   5,38   0,72   162   5,95   RP
Murray, Dale________   5,99   0,63   204   6,12   RP
Franco, John________   4,66   0,61   151   5,99   RP
Gossage, Goose______   5,25   0,60   162   6,02   RP
Smoltz, John________   5,25   0,52   126   6,03   RP
Hernandez, Willie___   4,96   0,40   176   6,29   RP
Smith, Lee__________   5,23   0,40   182   6,25   RP
Schultz, Barney_____   5,32   0,38   187   6,26   RP
Brewer, Jim_________   5,49   0,36   168   6,26   RP
Wilhelm, Hoyt_______   5,66   0,34   212   6,41   RP
Lidge, Brad_________   4,81   0,33   160   6,31   RP
Fingers, Rollie_____   4,74   0,31   159   6,28   RP
Wetteland, John_____   4,94   0,24   126   6,23   RP
Nen, Robb___________   5,01   0,24   126   6,23   RP
Rhodes, Arthur______   4,51   0,18   126   6,37   RP
Jackson, Mike_______   3,88   0,16   126   6,39   RP
Regan, Phil_________   4,93   0,13   179   6,48   RP
Dibble, Rob_________   4,61   0,11   155   6,54   RP
Quisenberry, Dan____   4,37   0,10   177   6,55   RP
Abernathy, Ted______   4,74   0,10   151   6,49   RP
Beck, Rod___________   4,68   0,10   159   6,50   RP
Mossi, Don__________   4,72   0,08   172   6,56   RP
Isringhausen, Jason_   3,02   0,06   126   6,56   RP
McGraw, Tug_________   4,57   0,03   184   6,64   RP
Nelson, Jeff________   3,81   -0,01   151   6,65   RP
Brocail, Doug_______   2,93   -0,11   126   6,73   RP
Radatz, Dick________   4,64   -0,14   177   6,72   RP
Miljus, Johnny______   4,66   -0,44   189   6,91   RP
 


Code: Select all
NAME_____   SALARY   WAR1   INN   ERA
Eichhorn, Mark______   4,15   0,63   45   N#A   RPS
Pineiro, Joel_______   4,96   0,63   161   N#A   RPS
Ontiveros, Steve____   3,94   0,44   45   N#A   RPS
Sosa, Elias_________   3,50   0,32   45   N#A   RPS
Henke, Tom__________   4,00   0,15   45   N#A   RPS
Darwin, Danny_______   3,94   0,11   45   N#A   RPS
Sasaki, Kazuhiro____   3,14   0,09   45   N#A   RPS
Mesa, Jose__________   3,65   0,08   45   N#A   RPS
Garcia, Mike________   7,60   0,06   45   N#A   RPS
Tekulve, Kent_______   2,69   0,06   45   N#A   RPS
Drabowsky, Moe______   2,30   0,00   45   N#A   RPS
Pina, Horacio_______   1,46   0,03   45   N#A   RPS
Williams, Smokey Joe   7,05   0,03   45   N#A   RPS
Caldwell, Mike______   8,36   0,54   45   N#A   RPS
Shantz, Bobby_______   4,25   0,26   45   N#A   RPS
Fryman, Woodie______   4,20   0,18   45   N#A   RPS
Honeycutt, Rick_____   2,66   0,17   45   N#A   RPS
Orosco, Jesse_______   4,61   0,14   45   N#A   RPS
O'Dell, Billy_______   4,24   0,13   45   N#A   RPS
Donaldson, John_____   6,36   0,13   45   N#A   RPS
Haddix, Harvey______   4,06   0,11   45   N#A   RPS
Burgmeier, Tom______   1,81   0,08   45   N#A   RPS
Merritt, Jim________   4,48   0,08   45   N#A   RPS
Myers, Randy________   4,22   0,00   45   N#A   RPS
Linzy, Frank________   0,99   0,02   45   N#A   RPS
Smith, Hilton_______   5,69   -0,15   45   N#A   RPS
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostWed Jul 12, 2017 10:35 pm

See above.
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostWed Jul 12, 2017 10:42 pm

See above.
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostWed Jul 12, 2017 11:04 pm

Will take a closer look at this information and try to understand it better.

Thank you Marc for putting this together and sharing it. (Even if as an American I would prefer decimal points to commas. C'est la vie.)
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostThu Jul 20, 2017 11:28 pm

Nice! Did you include OF throwing ability or base running speed?
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 8:53 am

Nice job on the double positions. Some other possibilities to include at double positions are Jimmy Foxx at 3b, Ed Delahanty at 3b, King Kelly at c, Ted Williams at lf, and Ralph Kiner at lf,
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 10:58 am

Thanks Bruce.

Did you include OF throwing ability or base running speed?


Both yes, although I must say that the contribution of running speed and stealing abilities are reduced due to the defensive quality of players involved in 200M leagues. Going from memory, I think that the best runner has a running WAR of 0.8 WAR max.

Jimmy Foxx at 3b, Ed Delahanty at 3b, King Kelly at c, Ted Williams at lf, and Ralph Kiner at lf


Actually, there are many outfielders who are set as "dh" in my listing but who would be just about as useful if they were to play left field. Dihigo is another player whose value based on WAR is almost the same in all available positions. But for King Kelly, Fox, and Delahanty, their WAR would go definitively down because of the defensive runs they would cost if they were placed at catcher spot or 3rd base.

BTW, I will post new ratings soon. Unilateral players like Lynn have their WAR too high, I also made a small mistake in the value of outfielders compared to the rest of the field, and I have to change the value of relievers (reverse lefties like Brewer and McGraw are ranked too high based on a faulty lefty-righty ratio. I also will add the new (non*)SP Kershaw...my ratings have him third best starting pitcher, just behind Maddux and 9.38M Pedro!!
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 8:06 pm

Thanks Marc, for sharing your knowledge. I am looking forward to your updates and additions.
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Re: 200M DRAFT RANKING by WAR...work in progress

PostTue Aug 01, 2017 11:49 pm

I updated the tables. I made changes in the way I calculate WAR, especially for relievers. These values are for a neutral stadium, assuming HR=12/12. Beginning next week, I will be able to list players for small ballpark, lefty, righty and high-power ballparks.
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