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strat defines clutch as

PostThu Dec 01, 2022 7:24 pm

hits with 2 out and runner in scoring position. anyone know where to find a list of the top 20 clutch hitters of all time using this criteria?
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostThu Dec 01, 2022 10:02 pm

Don't know about all time MLB, but if you download the spreadsheet of all ATG 9 hitters from Diamond Dope, you can sort on the column that shows each hitter's number of Clutch hit chances. Btw, the hitter with the mostest is '86 Joel Skinner. Also, imo, good clutch is priced into the cards and doesn't make enough of a difference to justify it.
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostThu Dec 01, 2022 10:14 pm

Doesn't matter for Strat, that's not their reasoning for clutch "rating".
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostThu Dec 01, 2022 11:22 pm

True that, Andy. I remember in the '80s the announcers never missed the chance to make a big fuss about what a great hitter Pat Tabler was with the bases loaded. He had a crazy high lifetime BA in that situation, and even better with 2 out.

But Tabler's card in ATG is I think only slightly clutch and not even close to his reputation or probably even his real stats. (I know I could look all this up, but I'm in a car right now.)
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostThu Dec 01, 2022 11:27 pm

Too lazy to look it up, but I understand the reasoning for clutch was to tweak cards to increase RBI chances for certain cards that may not produce the desired Strat result on their own. Hitters whose RBI totals don’t seem to quite match up with the normal card results, so clutch enables those players to increase RBI chances.
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostThu Dec 01, 2022 11:38 pm

That sounds completely right. If you've noticed, most catchers are Inj 2 -- even "regular" catchers -- meaning Strat will enforce their missing a certain number of games. Well, the majority of good clutch hitters in the set also are catchers. So I agree that is Strat's way of reconciling simulated RBI totals with games played and at-bats.
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostFri Dec 02, 2022 10:10 am

Yes, and guys who had a lot of RBI without much benefit of the Home Run are often full of clutch opportunities:
1904 Lajoie, 1911 Cobb, 1927 Paul Waner, 1936 Appling for instance
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostFri Dec 02, 2022 5:49 pm

never mind
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostMon Dec 05, 2022 5:08 pm

Have never paid much attention to this, but based on the post looked at one of my current teams and saw that they are 0 for 24 in clutch situations through 85 games. Ooof just another thing to worry about.
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Re: strat defines clutch as

PostWed Dec 07, 2022 3:12 pm

I've built teams concentrating on clutch but its no secret sauce. problem is how few times the hitter with clutch hits doesn't get in that situation. also it seems to me the 1/2 batters in your lineup DO come up in the Clutch and make outs. very few typical leadoff and #2 hitters have clutch $ rolls opportunities. It does surprise me how many of the most expensive players don't have it and basically no Negro League players have it. they seem to all have just the opposite the $single.
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