22.1 Results

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22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 12:53 pm

Greetings,

Here are the results of our 22.1 new card poll.

To be sent to Strat (along with 3 from 21.4) -
1912 Walter Johnson WASH 54
2017 Joey Votto Cin 1B 50
1999 John Rocker ATL RP 49
1971 Bill Melton CWS 3B 46
1933 Hal Schumacher NYG SP 46
1999 Nomar Garciaparra BOS 46
1971 Willie Davis LA CF 45
2018 Blake Treinen OAK RP 45
2003 Rheal Cormier PHI RP 45
1965 Deron Johnson CIN 3B 44
2005 Morgan Ensberg Astros 3B 43
1962 George Altman CHC 1B-OF 43
1978 Ivan DeJesus CHC SS 41
1975 Goose Gossage CHW RP 41
1982 Willie Wilson, KC OF 41
2004 Bobby Abreu PHI RF 40
1986 Phil Bradley SEA OF 40
1968 Don Drysdale LA SP 40
1886 Charlie Ferguson SP 39
1993 Ron Karkovice CWS C 37
1980 Ron Davis NY RP 36
2001 Bob Wickman CLE RP 36
1982 Terry Kennedy- SD C (21.4)
2001 Eric Chavez, OAK 3b (21.4)
1935 Joe Vosmik CLE (21.4)

To be included in the 22.2 poll -
2002 Alex Rodriguez TEX SS 35
1916 Rube Marquard LHP 33
2013 Yasiel Puig, Dodgers RF 33
2007 Jorge Posada Yankees C 32
1905 Andy Coakley PHA RHP 31
2019 Juan Soto WASH LF 30
2005 Richie Sexson SEA 27
2017 Nelson Cruz. DH/RF 24

Thanks,
Bill
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 2:39 pm

Four third basemen...pretty nice...
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 4:17 pm

How can Ron Karkovice get twice as many votes as Kenji Johjima? Makes zero sense to me. I can't see ever using the Karkovice card, but Seattle desperately needs catchers.

Oh well, when do nominations for 22.2 start...
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 4:58 pm

FALCON29 wrote:How can Ron Karkovice get twice as many votes as Kenji Johjima? Makes zero sense to me. I can't see ever using the Karkovice card, but Seattle desperately needs catchers.

Oh well, when do nominations for 22.2 start...


I think the voters did a great job overall.

Unless it is over-priced, I plan to use the Karkovice card. He's 1(-4) with righty power. Should be a good cheap catcher for a low cap righty power park team, when you need the arm.

Some voters might not like that Johjima only played 4 years in MLB. Karkovice had a 12 year career, no card.

Karkovice was part of a good division winning White Sox club, while Johjima was on a losing Seattle team.

I agree Seattle needs another catcher. Might need a new candidate though, it seems.
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 6:06 pm

Great crop this round!

Too bad about Johjima but there were a lot of other great options to choose from. Some of us don't play franchise format so that's part of it.

As a Mariners fan, it's very easy to recall the team's good catcher seasons apart from Dan Wilson, because they are so few and far between. Johjima was one. I believe the only others are:

1993 Dave Valle https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/42339/1690/1/90
2017 Mike Zunino https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91832/2017/1/2017 although I'm surprised to see his fielding was a 3 on this card as he's always been an elite defensive catcher (he's been a 1 every year since). 2021 might end up being a better card for him (he hilariously had more homers than singles) assuming he gets his now-customary 1, but that's obviously with Tampa.
2019 Omar Narvaez https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/93014/2019/1/2019 M's pointlessly traded this guy for a bag of balls and now the Brewers have quite impressively fixed his defense, his best card is probably yet to come. But 2019's hitting makes it playable in a platoon.

There's also 2019 Austin Nola which is an interesting utility card including catcher but unfortunately didn't have quite enough PA.
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 7:08 pm

Good to see I sparked some healthy debate. I stand by what I said, but overall I have to agree that we have a very good crop of "inductees" once again.

IMO Dave Valle = Ron Karkovice. They may have some value as a cheap backup on your roster but I'll bet you'll be praying that they don't actually have to come to bat.
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 7:24 pm

FALCON29 wrote:Good to see I sparked some healthy debate. I stand by what I said, but overall I have to agree that we have a very good crop of "inductees" once again.

IMO Dave Valle = Ron Karkovice. They may have some value as a cheap backup on your roster but I'll bet you'll be praying that they don't actually have to come to bat.

That Valle card isn't that bad, and I always liked him :)
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 8:28 pm

"I think the voters did a great job overall.

Unless it is over-priced, I plan to use the Karkovice card. He's 1(-4) with righty power. Should be a good cheap catcher for a low cap righty power park team, when you need the arm.

Some voters might not like that Johjima only played 4 years in MLB. Karkovice had a 12 year career, no card.

Karkovice was part of a good division winning White Sox club, while Johjima was on a losing Seattle team.

I agree Seattle needs another catcher. Might need a new candidate though, it seems."


With all due respect, you might be the only one using him. That card is terrible. Use Tom Pagnozzi instead.
It's a wasted pick IMO.
So is the Abreu pick. He's a 4 in RF.
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 8:46 pm

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. Keeps things interesting.

All boils down to price for me really. If Karkovice is cheap enough, he'll get used.
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Re: 22.1 Results

PostTue Feb 01, 2022 8:49 pm

I'd think Karkovice would price out at 1.75 range. Very usable in the right park, kind of like the big-armed Archer card, but with power.

The new Abreu card should be much cheaper than the 7.95 card because of his poor defense. I think he might get used as a DH if the price is low enough.

Odd how Wickman and Ron Davis shot up the board in the last two days.
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