Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostSat Aug 07, 2021 10:46 am

Hi Andy
Where would the 1916 Rube Marquard stack up to his best card now?
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostSat Aug 07, 2021 11:29 am

I’ll put numbers to it when I get a chance.
At a cursory glance, about the same as 1913 but maybe a few less XBH

It will almost certainly be a non* card.


1916 Rube Marquard, PHA, Throws-L, BAL-E, S8/R5
LH--2b-0.8 3b-0.2 HR-0 BB-2 .154/.170/.165, .335 OPS
RH--2b-0.8 3b-0.2 HR-0 BB-2 .151/.167/.162, .329 OPS
Current 1913 Rube Marquard, PHA, Throws-L, BAL-E, S8*/R5
LH--2b-2.3 3b-1 HR-1.1 BB-0 .163/.163/.232, .395 OPS
RH--2b-2.3 3b-1 HR-1.1 BB-0 .160/.160/.230, .390 OPS
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostSun Oct 31, 2021 2:34 pm

How about 1974 Gaylord Perry?
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostSun Oct 31, 2021 3:05 pm

STEVE F wrote:How about 1974 Gaylord Perry?


1974 Gaylord Perry, CLE, Throws-R, BAL-2R, S9*
LH--2b-0.3 3b-0.6 HR-2.3 BB-9 .135/.207/.218, .425 OPS
RH--2b-2.2 3b-0.8 HR-2.9 BB-7 .059/.120/.181, .302 OPS
Current 1972 Gaylord Perry, CLE, Throws-R, BAL-1R, S9*
LH--2b-3.3 3b-0.6 HR-1.8 BB-3 .144/.168/.238, .406 OPS
RH--2b-3.8 3b-1.4 HR-0.4 BB-2 .118/.135/.192, .327 OPS

Very similar to what we have, but with more dingers
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostSun Oct 31, 2021 3:49 pm

andycummings65 wrote:
STEVE F wrote:How about 1974 Gaylord Perry?


1974 Gaylord Perry, CLE, Throws-R, BAL-2R, S9*
LH--2b-0.3 3b-0.6 HR-2.3 BB-9 .135/.207/.218, .425 OPS
RH--2b-2.2 3b-0.8 HR-2.9 BB-7 .059/.120/.181, .302 OPS
Current 1972 Gaylord Perry, CLE, Throws-R, BAL-1R, S9*
LH--2b-3.3 3b-0.6 HR-1.8 BB-3 .144/.168/.238, .406 OPS
RH--2b-3.8 3b-1.4 HR-0.4 BB-2 .118/.135/.192, .327 OPS

Very similar to what we have, but with more dingers

Leans righty a bit more, but yes, about the same overall
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostThu Nov 04, 2021 3:11 am

Wes Ferrell definitely needs an upgrade. A couple good options in the OP but curious about his 1935 card as that's his best year according to BBref, although maybe the difference is mostly hitting. Speaking of which, are the relevant hitting cards all 8NR?
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostThu Nov 04, 2021 10:17 am

austinmdavidson wrote:Wes Ferrell definitely needs an upgrade. A couple good options in the OP but curious about his 1935 card as that's his best year according to BBref, although maybe the difference is mostly hitting. Speaking of which, are the relevant hitting cards all 8NR?


1935 Wes Ferrell, BOS, Throws-R, BAL-E, S8*/R5
LH--2b-2.8 3b-0.9 HR-1.3 BB-6 .214/.257/.295, .553 OPS
RH--2b-2.8 3b-0.6 HR-1.3 BB-6 .209/.253/.284, .537 OPS
1934 Wes Ferrell BOS Throws-R BAL-1L END-S9/R3-
LH--2b- 2.0 3b-0.0 HR-0.0 BB-0 .232/.232/.251 OPS-.483
RH--2b- 6.9 3b-0.6 HR-0.0 BB-6 .208/.252/.288 OPS-.540
1930 Wes Ferrell CLE Throws-R BAL-E END-S9*/R3
LH--2b- 7.5 3b-0.0 HR-1.1 BB-9 .173/.242/.280 OPS-.521
RH--2b- 6.2 3b-0.4 HR-0.6 BB-8 .190/.250/.278 OPS-.528
1933 Current Ferrell, Wes Throws-R BAL-E END-S8*
LH--2b- 4.6 3b-1.3 HR-0.8 BB-7 .249/.298/.343 OPS-.641
RH--2b- 4.4 3b-1.3 HR-0.8 BB-7 .245/.294/.337 OPS-.631

Hitting Cards, Of the ones listed:
1930 - 5WR
1933 - 8NR
1934 - 8NR
1935 - 8NR

The 1934 card has a gbssA at 4-7, but would probably not be a *.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostWed Nov 24, 2021 1:01 pm

1957 Podres?
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostWed Nov 24, 2021 2:38 pm

ScumbyJr wrote:1957 Podres?


Seems like I studied Podres’ cards a few years back. I’ll see what I can find.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostWed Nov 24, 2021 5:16 pm

andycummings65 wrote:
ScumbyJr wrote:1957 Podres?


Seems like I studied Podres’ cards a few years back. I’ll see what I can find.

curious because I saw the Padres brought Podres. back in 1969.
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