Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostThu Jun 04, 2020 5:50 pm

djp_77 wrote:2008 Mariano Rivera
1999 Armando Benitez


1999 Armando Benitez NYM Throws-R BAL-2R END-R1
LH—2b-0.0 3b-0.2 HR-0.0 BB-25 .004/.234/.008 OPS-.243
RH—2b-0.0 3b-0.0 HR-0.0 BB-10 .000/.093/.000 OPS-.093
2004 Current Benitez, Armando FLA Throws-R BAL-3R END-R2
LH—2b-0 3b-0 HR-2.6 BB-14 .049/.172/.132 OPS-.304
RH—2b-0 3b-0 HR-1.7 BB-0 .016/.016.063 OPS-.079
A little better, but not substantially. Does give him a Mets card

2008 Mariano Rivera NYY Throws-R BAL-2L END-R1
LH—2b-0 3b-0 HR-0 BB-0 .000/.000/.000 OPS-.000
RH—2b-3.5 3b-0.0 HR-1.0 BB-0 .042/.042/.102 OPS-.144
1996 Current Rivera, Mariano NYY Throws-R BAL-3R END-R2
LH—2b-0.2 3b-0 HR-0 BB-6 .093/.144/.095 OPS-.239
RH—2b-0 3b-0 HR-0 BB-7 .000/.065/.000 OPS-.065
2005 Current Rivera, Mariano NYY Throws-R BAL-1L END-R1
LH—2b-0 3b-0.8 HR-0 BB-0 .034/.034/.049 OPS-.083
RH—2b-0 3b-0.8 HR-0 BB-11 .019/.119/.035 OPS-.154
This is representative of what Rivera did; tougher on LH than RH hitters. Not a lot different than 2005, although the 2008 card has absolutely nothing on it to help hitters.............
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostFri Jun 05, 2020 5:29 pm

currently we have the 1988 version of Duane Ward. Much better is the 93 year where he blew out his arm.

If anything, we should at least use the card that ended his career out of empathy and immortalize him in SOM.

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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostFri Jun 05, 2020 8:50 pm

kev wrote:currently we have the 1988 version of Duane Ward. Much better is the 93 year where he blew out his arm.

If anything, we should at least use the card that ended his career out of empathy and immortalize him in SOM.

thanks


1993 Duane Ward TOR Throws-R BAL-3R END-R1 ADDED TO SET
LH—2b-0.0 3b-0.0 HR-0.6 BB-15 0 .111/.234/.130 OPS-.364
RH—2b-0.0 3b-0.0 HR-0.4 BB-2 0 .084/.101/.095 OPS-.196
1989 Current Ward, Duane TOR Throws-R BAL-2L END-R2
LH—2b-1 3b-0 HR-1.0 BB-14 .153/.263/.194 OPS-.457
RH—2b-1.9 3b-2.0 HR-0.0 BB-17 .209/.333/.272 OPS-.605
Let the empathy begin.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostThu Jul 23, 2020 3:08 pm

jay howell 1988 dodgers 5-3 2.08 era 21 saves 65ip 44 hits 21 walks 1 hr 50 games whip 1.00 ws la team
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostSun Jul 26, 2020 2:25 pm

“FIREMEN” FROM THE 1970S
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1973 John Hiller - R3
10-5 | 1.44 ERA | 125 IP | 38 saves | 1.02 WHIP | 283 ERA+ | 2.25 FIP

1972 Sparky Lyle
- R3
9-5 | 1.92 ERA | 108 IP | 35 saves | 1.05 WHIP | 154 ERA+ | 2.18 FIP

1980 Doug Corbett - R3
8-6 | 1.98 ERA | 136 IP | 23 saves | 1.06 WHIP | 221 ERA+ | 3.06 FIP


Both John Hiller & Sparky Lyle, arguably have better cases for the HOF than Bruce Sutter. Corbett's career cut short by injuries, but brilliant at his peak
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostTue Jul 28, 2020 4:41 pm

Wade Davis -- 2018 -- COL -- 4.13/1.056 ERA+ 115 (not necessarily an improvement but a usable card for 80 mil)

Ron Davis -- 1979 -- NYY -- 2.85/1.313 ERA+ 143

Mark Clear -- 1986 -- MIL -- 2.20/1.208 ERA+ 199
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/32143/1986/1/101

Jeurys Familia -- 2015 -- NYM -- 1.85/1.000 ERA+ 207
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/92071/2015/1/2015
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostWed Aug 19, 2020 11:48 am

1990 Bobby Thigpen, CWS, set the record for saves in a season at 57 at the time (it has since been broken)
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostWed Aug 19, 2020 3:27 pm

2cityfan wrote:1990 Bobby Thigpen, CWS, set the record for saves in a season at 57 at the time (it has since been broken)


He's in my opening list
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostFri Jan 08, 2021 3:30 pm

David Wells has SP cards but no RP
1989 as a MR
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Re: Nomination Ideas--RELIEVERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostFri Jan 08, 2021 7:36 pm

RiggoDrill wrote:“FIREMEN” FROM THE 1970S
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1973 John Hiller - R3
10-5 | 1.44 ERA | 125 IP | 38 saves | 1.02 WHIP | 283 ERA+ | 2.25 FIP

1972 Sparky Lyle
- R3
9-5 | 1.92 ERA | 108 IP | 35 saves | 1.05 WHIP | 154 ERA+ | 2.18 FIP

1980 Doug Corbett - R3
8-6 | 1.98 ERA | 136 IP | 23 saves | 1.06 WHIP | 221 ERA+ | 3.06 FIP


Both John Hiller & Sparky Lyle, arguably have better cases for the HOF than Bruce Sutter. Corbett's career cut short by injuries, but brilliant at his peak



1973 John Hiller, DET, Throws-L, 1L BAL, END-R3
LH--2b-0.3 3b-1.3 HR-1.9 BB-6 .077/.129/.161, OPS-.289
RH--2b-2.3 3b-0 HR-0.6 BB-6 .122/.171/.162, OPS-.333

Current 1974 John Hiller, DET Throws-L, 2L BAL, END-R3
LH--2b-2.75 3b-1 HR-0 BB-8 .105/.171/.153, OPS-.339
RH--2b-1.4 3b-0 HR-2 BB-7 .170/.224/.243, OPS-.467




1972 Sparky Lyle, NYY, Throws-L, 3R BAL, END-R3
LH--2b-13.20 3b-0.00 HR-0.00 BB-0 .185/.185/.307, OPS-.492
RH--2b-0.00 3b-1.60 HR-0.15 BB-4 .137/.169/.172, OPS-.341

Current 1967 Sparky Lyle, BOS, Throws-L, 5R BAL, END-R3
LH--2b-5 3b-3 HR-1.7 BB-8 .223/.281/.384, OPS-.665
RH--2b-2.2 3b-0 HR-1.7 BB-9 .092/.168/.166, OPS-.334

Current 1976 Sparky Lyle, NYY, Throws-L, 2L BAL, END-R2
LH--2b-0 3b-0 HR-0.3 BB-14 .112/.227/.122, OPS-.349
RH--2b-1.3 3b-0.8 HR-1.4 BB-9 .154/.225/.225, OPS-.450




1980 Doug Corbett, MIN, Throws-, 2R BAL, END-R3
LH--2b-0.3 3b-0 HR-1.2 BB-8 .123/.188/.161, OPS-.349
RH--2b-3.3 3b-0.8 HR-0.2 BB-4 .094/.127/.146, OPS-.273

Current 1986 Doug Corbett, CAL, Throws-R, 4R BAL, END-R2
LH--2b-4.2 3b-0 5.5 BB-0 .245/.245/.437, OPS-.692
RH--2b-0 3b-0.8 3.6 BB-11 .120/.209/.247, OPS-.456
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