19.2 Results

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19.2 Results

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 11:50 pm

Here are the results of our 19.2 Vote.

Top 25 are in and will be sent to Strat tomorrow.
Cobb will be added in 19.3 (was rooting for Otis Nixon)
Next 6 will be back for 19.3
Final 18 are out (1% or less)

Year/Player/Team/Pos/Votes/Pct

1972 Billy Williams CHC LF 60 4
1962 Frank Robinson CIN LF/RF 59 4
2012 Craig Kimbrel ATL RP 58 4
2000 Richard Hidalgo HOU OF 58 4
1923 Tris Speaker CLE OF 55 4
2014 Johnny Cueto CIN, S7* 50 3
2007 Chipper Jones ATL 3B 50 3
2017 Corey Kluber CLE SP 48 3
1960 Lindy McDaniel STL P 46 3
2012 Jake McGee TB LHRP 41 3
1978 Amos Otis KC CF 41 3
1980 Mike Easler PIT LF 40 3
2002 Barry Bonds SF LF 40 3
1967 Phil Niekro ATL SP 38 3
1976 Dave Laroche Cle LHRP 34 2
1937 Zeke Bonura CWS 1B 34 2
1936 Lou Gehrig NYY 1B 34 2
2013 Matt Harvey NYM P 32 2
2001 Cliff Floyd FLA LF 32 2
2005 Pedro Martinez NYM SP 31 2
1947 Harry Walker PHI OF 30 2
1948 Harry Brecheen STL SP 29 2
1966 Bob Locker CWS RP 28 2
1961 Eddie Mathews MLN 3b 28 2
1974 Johnny Bench CIN C 28 2
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1917 Ty Cobb DET OF 28 2
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2000 Steve Finley ARZ CF 27 2
1991 Otis Nixon ATL OF 26 2
1920 Buck Weaver CWS 3b/ss 25 2
1993 Mike Stanley NYY C 24 2
1968 Stan Bahnsen NYY SP 24 2
2014 Michael Brantley CLE OF 23 2
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1988 Juan Agosto HOU RP 22 1
1964 Bob Allison MIN OF/1B 22 1
2003 Eric Chavez Oakland A's 3b 20 1
1985 Donnie Moore CAL RP 19 1
1993 Paul Molitor Toronto 19 1
1972 Bill Stoneman MON S8* 18 1
1981 Kirk Gibson DET OF 17 1
1936 Arky Vaughan PIT SS 17 1
1954 Yogi Berra NYY C/3B 17 1
1990 Dave Magadan Mets 1b/3b 17 1
1970 Alex Johnson CAL LF 17 1
1969 Andy Messersmith Angels P 15 1
1952 Ferris Fain PHA 1B 13 1
1967 Orlando Cepeda STL 1B 11 1
1977 Gary Carter MON C 10 1
1980 Luis Salazar SD OF/3B 10 1
1888 Ice Box Chamberlain STL SP 8 1
1965 Don Pavletich CIN C/1B 7 0
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostThu Mar 07, 2019 2:19 pm

Thanks BC, very nice job and a pretty good add (not quite as good as the last one , but that one was really great)
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostThu Mar 07, 2019 4:49 pm

New Hitter Adds: Stats based on DD Veterans75 (10,10,10,10)

1972 Billy Williams, CHC, Bats-L, 4R Balance, LF-3(0)e5, RF-4(0)e5, 1b-4e21
LH--4.5 2b, 1.8 3b, 6.5 HR, 7 BB 352/406/630, 1.036 OPS
RH--8.7 2b, 1.3 3b, 12.3 HR, 6 BB 430/472/910, 1.382 OPS
Compared to his best current card, 7.05m, CHC, Bats-L, 2R Balance, LF-2(0)e3, RF-3e3
LH-- 7.3 2b, 0 3b, 5.3 HR, 1 BB 381/392/598, .998 OPS
RH--5.6 2b, 0.5 3b, 11.1 HR, 12 BB 368/444/787, 1.131 OPS
Similar vs LHP, power improvement vs RHP, nice added flexibility with 1b eligibility


1962 Frank Robinson, CIN, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 342/421/624, 1.045 OPS. LF/RF-2(0)e2, Bulletproof.
LH--7.7 2b, 0 3b, 10.8 HR, 13 BB 376/474/816, 1.291 OPS
RH--13.3 2b, 0.2 3b, 9 HR, 10 BB 434/507/866, 1.373 OPS
Compared to his best current card, 9.45m, BAL, Bats-R, 3R Balance, RF/LF-2(+1)e5, 1b-3e28
LH--5.9 2b, 0 3b, 7.9 HR, 10 BB 370/452/685, 1.147 OPS
RH--7.3 2b, 0.3 3b, 15.3 HR, 20 BB 417/546/1.055, 1.601 OPS
A more balanced card than the 9.45m, better vs LHP than 9.45m, 9.45m still better vs RHP


2000 Richard Hidalgo HOU, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 314/391/636, 1.027 OPS. LF/RF-1(-4)e8, CF-2(-4)e8 RF 1e8
LH--17 2b, 1.1 3b, 4.7 HR, 4 BB 386/455/733, 1.187 OPS
RH--6.3 2b, 0.3 3b, 12.5 HR, 10 BB 352/460/844, 1.304 OPS
Gonna Double vs LHP and Homer vs RHP, not amazing OBP, but very nice defense.


1923 Tris Speaker CLE, Bats-L, E Balance, 380/469/610, 1.079 OPS. CF/LF/RF-1(-4)e13
LH--13 2b, 2.4 3b, 6.2 HR, 19 BB 518/607/932, 1.539 OPS
RH--12.8 2b, 2.4 3b, 5.9 HR, 19 BB 506/598/907, 1.505 OPS
Compared to best current card, 11.91m, BOS, Bats-L, E Balance, CF-1(-4)e4, Steal: *3-6/- (19-15)
LH--12 2b, 2.3 3b, 3.3 HR, 17 BB 543/619/836, 1.455 OPS
RH--11.8 2b, 2.1 3b, 3.3 HR, 17 BB 533/611/818, 1.429 OPS
HR bump more than makes up for miniscule loss of OBP. You'll like......


2007 Chipper Jones ATL, Bats-S, 7R Balance, 337/425/604, 1.029 OPS 3b-3e12, SS-4e48
LH--5.6 2b, 1.5 3b, 3.5 HR, 11 BB 269/344/463, 807 OPS
RH--12 2b, 0.3 3b, 11.5 HR, 20 BB 514/604/1.049, 1.653 OPS
compared to current best card, ATL, Bats-S, 3L Balance, 3b-3e18, SS-4e20
LH--7.1 2b, 0 3b, 16.9 HR, 20 BB 439/548/1.103, 1.651 OPS
RH--7.1 2b, 0 3b, 10.4 HR, 25 BB 365/518/832, 1.350 OPS
Two thumbs up


1978 Amos Otis, KC, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 298/374/525, .899 OPS, CF 2(-4)e3, Steal: *4-6/-(19-13)
LH--3.5 2b, 2 3b, 7.3 HR, 19 BB 316/449/654, 1.103 OPS
RH--8.7 2b, 2.4 3b, 8.2 HR, 13 BB 366/454/775, 1.228 OPS
Compared to best current card, 6.94m, KC, Bats-R, 5L Balance, CF-1(-4)e6, Steal: *3-6/12 (15-10)
LH--3.8 2b, 0 3b, 10 HR, 16 BB 481/558/848, 1.406 OPS
RH--2.4 2b, 1.3 3b, 5.9 HR, 8 BB 287/340/513, .853 OPS
More balanced card, should be nice for KC exp, though not a 1 in CF.


1980 Mike Easler PIT, Bats-L, 7R Balance, 338/396/583, .987 OPS, LF/RF-4(+1)e5
LH--3.6 2b, 0 3b, 2 HR, 5 BB 229/265/322. .587 OPS
RH--9.6 2b, 1 3b, 10.5 HR, 11 BB 430/488/874, 1.363 OPS
No need to post his scrub card. Should be fun...….


2002 Barry Bonds SF, Bats-L, 4L Balance, 370/582/799, 1.381 OPS, LF-2(+2)e10, Steal:*4/-(16-6)
LH--6.4 2b, 0.6 3b, 24.5 HR, 41 BB 601/7671.888, 2.655 OPS
RH--6.9 2b, 0.6 3b, 13.5 HR, 43 BB 598/773/1.375, 2.148 OPS
Compared to best current card, 14.54, SF, Bats-L, 3R Balance, LF-2(+1)e7, Steal: *5/- (18-6)
LH--4.6 2b, 0.8 3b, 17.5 HR, 39 BB 384/629/1.285, 1.914 OPS
RH--4.4 2b, 0 3b, 24.3 HR, 40 BB 447/672/1.652, 2.324 OPS
Kind of a flip from his 3R card. I wish Ted Williams had a bunch of steroid-induced cards......


1937 Zeke Bonura, CWS, Bats R, 1L Balance, 345/412/573, .985 OPS, 1b-4e17
LH--11.8 2b, 0 3b, 8 HR, 10 BB 446/503/815, 1.318 OPS
RH--11 2b, 0 3b, 7.4 HR, 10 BB 414/474/756, 1.230 OPS
Compared to best current card, 2.47, WAS, Bats-R, 4L Balance, 1b-4e10
LH--6.8 2b, 0 3b, 9.8 HR, 7 BB 412/455/772, 1.227 OPS
RH--3.6 2b, 0.3 3b, 6.8 HR, 2 BB 280/300/512, .812 OPS
Much better card for Bonura


1936 Lou Gehrig NYY, Bats-L, 1R Balance, 354/478/696, 1.174 OPS, 1B-3e9
LH--4.75 0.80 12.75 27 1 0.425 0.574 0.982 1.557 OPS
RH--5.60 0.90 14.40 27 1 0.476 0.612 1.109 1.721 OPS
Compared to best current card, 11.89, NYY, Bats-L, 3R Balance, 1b-2e13
LH--9.6 2b, 4 3b, 10.5 HR, 14 BB 370/458/898, 1.356 OPS
RH--11.5 2b, 4 3b, 13 HR, 23 BB 503/613/1.199, 1.812 OPS
similar, better vs LHP


2001 Cliff Floyd, FLA, Bats-L, E Balance, 317/390/578, .968 OPS, LF-3(0)e9, Steal: *7/-(19-12)
LH--6.3 2b, 2.2 3b, 10 HR, 4 BB 377/423/784, 1.207 OPS
RH--11 2b, 0.3 3b, 8 HR, 5 BB 393/444/753, 1.197 OPS
good Marlin add


1947 Harry Walker, PHI, Bats-L, E Balance, 363/436/487, .923 OPS, CF/LF/RF-2(0)e15, 1b-3e13
LH--5.9 2b, 5.2 3b, 0 HR, 12 BB 514/572/685, 1.257 OPS
RH--5.7 2b, 5.2 3b, 0 HR, 12 BB 504/564/674, 1.238 OPS
Not posting his cheap card, lots of hits here


1961 Eddie Mathews MLN, Bats-L, 2L Balance, 306/402/535, .937 OPS, 3B-2e19
LH--0 2b, 0 3b, 15.3 HR, 17 BB 405/504/913, 1.418 OPS
RH--5 2b, 1.8 3b, 6.7 HR, 20 BB 384/504/711, 1.215 OPS
Compared to current 8.00m card, MIL, Bats-L, E Balance, 3b-3e31
LH--5.1 2b, 1.5 3b, 14.5 HR, 20 BB 357/482/951, 1.433 OPS
RH-5.1 2b, 1.8 3b,15 HR, 20 BB 369/492/985, 1.477 OPS
Didn't compare to the 9m card because the 8m has the best offense.


1974 Johnny Bench, CIN, Bats-R, 3R Balance, 280/365/507, .872 OPS, C-1(-4)e2, 1b-4e24, 3b-4e18
LH--6.6 2b, 0 3b, 5.4 HR, 9 BB 247/317/480, .797 OPS
RH--7.7 2b, 0 3b, 9.3 HR, 13 BB 312/401/689, 1.090 OPS
Compared to best current card, 7.69m, CIN, Bats-R, 4L Balance, C-1(-4)e7, 1b-3e22, 3b-4e37, LF/CF-4(-1)e25
LH--10.4 2b, 0.5 3b, 19.9 HR, 2 BB 354/366/1.025, 1.391 OPS
RH--6.2 2b, 0.6 3b, 10.2 HR, 8 BB 318/369/698, 1.067 OPS
Compared also to another Bench card I like, 5.28m, CIN, Bats-R, E Balance, c-1(-4)e3, RF/LF-4(-1)e10, 1b-4e30
LH--11.7 2b, 0 3b, 7 HR, 4 BB 320/351/637, .988 OPS
RH--8.9 2b, 0 3b, 8.8 HR, 14 BB 310/406/687, 1.093 OPS
I'm guessing this new 1974 card will be the cheapest Bench card. Probably in the 4.25m range


1917 Ty Cobb, DET, Bats-L, E Balance, 383/444/570, 1.014 OPS, RF/LF-2(0)e11, CF-3(0)e11, Steal: *3-6/- (19-15)
LH--9.6 2b, 6.4 3b, 1.4 HR, 10 BB 530/578/804, 1.382 OPS
RH--9.9 2b, 6.6 3b, 1.4 HR, 10 BB 546/592/827, 1.419 OPS
Compared to best hitting current Cobb card, 9.99, DET, Bats-L, E Balance, CF/RF-2(0)e12, Steal: *3-6/- (19-15)
LH--6.3 2b, 6.6 3b, 2 HR, 6 BB 585/612/836, 1.448 OPS
RH--6.2 2b, 6.4 3b, 1.8 HR, 6 BB 574/601/814, 1.415 OPS
Not as good as 9.99 card. Is NOT a 15 game INJ risk like the 9.99 card, though.
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostFri Mar 08, 2019 12:13 am

cool-- good to see this because its a good idea of what we are actually getting.

if we do this for future votes too that would be fantastic.
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostFri Mar 08, 2019 12:26 am

Salty wrote:cool-- good to see this because its a good idea of what we are actually getting.

if we do this for future votes too that would be fantastic.


I’m Glad to do it if Bill will give me a chance to put it up before voting starts, once nominations are in.
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostFri Mar 08, 2019 8:40 am

I really appreciate the time you put in here Andy, and I also hope we can delay voting until your analysis. I think th eoutcome would have been different in a few places.
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostFri Mar 08, 2019 10:40 am

Thanks Andy (and thanks Bill)!

I don't care what anyone says...I'm looking forward to that Harry Walker card...
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostFri Mar 08, 2019 11:51 am

A lot really depends on the pricing. The Gehrig not being bulletproof might get the price down enough to give it value.

Really excited about Chipper's card. One of my favorites growing up. I wish Bob Allison would have gotten in this time. Really want a good Allison card to go with Killebew.
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostFri Mar 08, 2019 9:06 pm

andycummings65 wrote:
Salty wrote:cool-- good to see this because its a good idea of what we are actually getting.

if we do this for future votes too that would be fantastic.


I’m Glad to do it if Bill will give me a chance to put it up before voting starts, once nominations are in.


That should work just fine Andy, thanks. We will get started on 19.3 nominations sometime next month, so we will certainly have time for a pre-vote analysis of the nominees.
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Re: 19.2 Results

PostSat Mar 09, 2019 6:45 pm

djp_77 wrote:A lot really depends on the pricing. The Gehrig not being bulletproof might get the price down enough to give it value.

Really excited about Chipper's card. One of my favorites growing up. I wish Bob Allison would have gotten in this time. Really want a good Allison card to go with Killebew.



:D :D :D :D :D
Ive been trying to get the Chipper card in for over a year now- and am happy hes finally in.
Got to play with it in the 2007-2014 leagues :D :D :D

Also happy to see the cards stats coming into play for all of us - that will be a nice upgrade to the process,
which I think is already improved. Please continue similarly.
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