19.2 Voting now Open!

Discussion for new cards to add; moderated by Rosie2167

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Choose your top 15

Poll ended at Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:37 pm

1. 1961 Eddie Mathews MLN, Bats-L, 2L Balance, 306/402/535, .937 OPS, 3B-2e19
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2. 2014 Johnny Cueto CIN, S7*, 1L Balance, 20-9, WHIP 0.96, ERA 2.25, 2nd in Cy Young vote, would be 1st card for Cueto
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3. 1981 Kirk Gibson DET, Bats-L, 3L Balance, 328/367/479, .846 OPS, ALL 3 OF Spots 3(-1)e10, Steal: *4-6/-18-13) - Strike shortened season. Gibby batted .328, OB of .369, OPS of .849. He also hit 9 home runs in only 290 at bats. He stole 17 bases. He led Detroit to a near Divison title, only to be beaten by the Brewers on the last day.
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4. 2012 Jake McGee TB, Throws-L, R1, 9R Balance, 1.95 ERA, 0.795 WHIP, lefty gives up nothing to righties and decent vs lefties. Great card!! Need more Rays cards!
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5. 1920 Buck Weaver CWS, Bats-R, 2R Balance, 331/365/420, .785 OPS, 3b-2e37/SS-3e31. By far Bucky's best year. .331 BA and bulletproof injury. Let's get a Bucky card we can use! John Cusack thanks you.
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6. 2012 Craig Kimbrel ATL, Throws-L, R1, 1L Balance, 1.01 ERA, 0.65 WHIP, https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91502/2012/1/2012 How is it that one of the better RPs isn't represented.
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7. 1972 Bill Stoneman MON, Throws-R, S8*, 5R Balance, 2.98 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 251 IP. Expos first star pitcher, (threw a no-hitter in their 9th game ever), is only represented by his 1969 card from Montreal's inaugural season. He had more IP, W and K in 1971, but 1972 was his best season. This guy deserves better!
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8. 1923 Tris Speaker CLE, Bats-L, E Balance, 380/469/610, 1.079 OPS. Eligible at ALL 3 OP spots-1(-4)e13. His best offensive season. 133 runs scored, league leading 130 rbi's. 59 Doubles (his best season for the all time doubles leader) 11 Triples and a lifetime best 17 HR's. Hit: .380 .469 .610 1.079. One of the few mega superstars with only two cards.
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9. 2000 Steve Finley ARZ, Bats-L, E Balance, 280/361/544, .905 OPS, CF-1(-)e3. Arizona has no cards that qualify at cf. 35hr's and a gold glove with decent speed.
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10.1962 Frank Robinson, CIN, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 342/421/624, 1.045 OPS. LF/RF-2(0)e2 51 DO, 39 HR, 136 RBI. Arguably Robinson's best season. Followed up '61 MVP with an even better season in '62! Career highs in G, BA, H, R, 2B, RBI, OBP & TB. 2nd career bests in HR, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Bulletproof.
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11. 1985 Donnie Moore CAL, Throws-R, R2, 7L balance, 1.92 ERA, 1.09 WHIP. Was treated shamefully by fans in real life. Let's do right by him in Strat.
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12. 1974 Johnny Bench, CIN, Bats-R, 3R Balance, 280/365/507, .872 OPS, C-1(-4)e2, 1b-4e24, 3b-4e18 129 RBI, 33 HR, 700+ PA!...how about an every game starter behind the plate
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13. 1947 Harry Walker, PHI, Bats-L, E Balance, 363/436/487, .923 OPS, ALL Of spots-2(0)e15, 1b-3e13 led league in triples (16), BA & OBP, 150 OPS+, 9th in MVP, CF/1B/LF
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14. 1960 Lindy McDaniel, STL, Throws-R, 3L Balance, S5/R3, 2.09 ERA, 0.94 WHIP. (HE WON'T BE AN RP-ONLY) 12-4, 2.09 ERA, .937 WHP, CYA-3, MVP-5, best year, good add for post franchise
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15. 2007 Chipper Jones ATL, Bats-S, 7R Balance, 337/425/604, 1.029 OPS 3b-3e12, SS-4e48. Better and think Best Chipper card - def better than current one(s)
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16. Dave Laroche 1976; LH Reliever, pitched 96 innings, with 104Ks,gave up only 2 HRs, .225 ERA. This is an incredible shutdown card which I have in my old set, but unfortunately it is not part of the 70's cards online. For those who play theme leagues a great addition to a weak Indians bullpen. (AKA Mr Irrelevant).
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17. 1978 Amos Otis, KC, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 298/374/525, .899 OPS, CF 2(-4)e3, Steal:*4-6/-(19-13). 22 HR, 96 RBI, 32 SBs. Career highs in RBI, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in BA, BB, HR. Unlike other Otis cards, this is a well balanced card with decent OBP, that could bat nearly anywhere in the lineup, including leadoff.
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18. 1965 Don Pavletich CIN, Bats-R, 1L Balance, 319/394/907, C-4(+2)e7, 1b-4e26.
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19. 2013 Matt "Batman" Harvey NYM, Throws-R, S7(wont have the *), 5L Balance, 2.27 ERA, 0.93 WHIP. 178 innings, 191 KO, .931 WHIP, lowest homeruns per 9 in league
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20. 2001 Cliff Floyd, FLA, Bats-L, E Balance, 317/390/578, .968 OPS, LF-3(0)e9, Steal: *7/-(19-12). .317/.390/ .578, 44 doubles, 31HR, 103 RBI- Gives FLA some help building a better team
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21. 1936 Arky Vaughan PIT, Bats-L, E Balance, 335/453/474, .927 OPS, SS-2e45 30 doubles, 11 triples, 9 homers. 600-plus plate appearances.
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22. 1980 Mike Easler PIT, Bats-L, 7R Balance, 338/396/583, .987 OPS, LF/RF-4(+1)e5 better card than that NYY one we have
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23. 1972 Billy Williams, CHC, Bats-L, 4R Balance, 333/398/606, 1.005 OPS. LF-3(0)e5, RF-4(0)e5, 1b-4e21. 37 HR, 122 RBI. Career highs in BA, OBP, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in HR & RBI. Led League in BA, SLG, OPS, OPS+ & TB. Finished 2nd in MVP voting to Johnny Bench for the 2nd time in 3 years. It's time to give HOFer Sweet Swingin' Billy his best card.
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24. 2000 Richard Hidalgo HOU, Bats-R, 1R Balance, 314/391/636, 1.027 OPS. LF/RF-1(-4)e8, CF-2(-4)e8 RF 1e8  I went through the top 250 single season slugging percentages of all time, and by and large almost every season is represented with a card (many players appear multiple times) - But, excluding 2018 season, there are only two players who have no card. Stanton is the other, and I figure he's too obvious to be forgotten. This is number 134. Plus an OF corner 1 (-4). 314/391/636. Houston franchise has NO corner OF 1
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25. 2017 Corey Kluber CLE, S7(questionable on receiving *), E Balance, 2.25 ERA, 0.87 WHIP 18-4 IP203.2 BB36 SO265 No card
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26.1917 Ty Cobb, DET, Bats-L, E Balance, 383/444/570, 1.014 OPS, RF/LF-2(0)e11, CF-3(0)e11 led the league in almost every category without injury problems
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27.1977 Gary Carter MON, Bats-R, 8L Balance. 284//356/525, .881 OPS, C-4(0)e3, LF-4(-1)e7 31 hr
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28.1993 Mike Stanley NYY, Bats-R, 2L Balance, 305/389/534, .923 OPS, C-3(-1)e1 17 2B 26 HR 84 RBI 
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29.1988 Juan Agosto HOU, Throws-L, R2, 9L Balance, 2.26 ERA, 1.13 WHIP 10-2, need more modern era lefty relief pitchers, NO card in the set
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30. 1948 Harry 'the Cat' Brecheen STL, Throws-L, S9*/R4, 1L Balance, 2.24 ERA, 1.03 WHIP 20-7, 182 ERA+, Led NL in ERA, ERA+, FIP, WHIP. 5th in MVP. 8.9 WAR. S9/R4, e0, -3 hold.
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31. 1980 Luis Salazar SD, Throws-R, E Balance, 337/374/462, .836 OPS, LF/RF-3(-1)e16, 3b-4e29 .337 BA Always hit a lot of triples for me!! 
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32. 1888 Ice Box Chamberlain STL (not SLB) Throws-R, S9*, 2R Balance, 2.57 ERA, 1.05 WHIP (This is a combined card between LOU & SLM. Card will be based on the above ERA & WHIP.)
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33. 2014 Michael Brantley CLE, Bats-L, 2R Balance, 327/385/506, .891 OPS. LF-1(-2)e1, CF-2(-1)e1. 3rd in MVP Voting! No cards 660 PA 20 HR 23 SB 45 DB 97 RBI 200 H
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34. 1937 Zeke Bonura, CWS, Bats R, 1L Balance, 345/412/573, .985 OPS, 1b-4e17. Zeke Bonura held the White Sox Single Season RBI Record for 62 years, drove in 100 runs 4 times, fine hitter for the mid30s White Sox. Pre White Sox Set has no strong 1b. (or 2b, or 3b, or RF, and so on...)
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35. 1966 Bob Locker CWS, Throws-R, R3, 1R Balance, 2.46 ERA, 1.01 WHIP. He was one of the better relievers of his era and doesn't have a card. Here is a link to his card. https://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/p ... /1660/1/60
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36. 2005 Pedro Martinez NYM, Throws-R, S7(doubtful on the *), 1R Balance, 2.82 ERA, 0.94 WHIP. His last "best" card: 15-8, 2.82 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, 208K in 217 IP
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37. 1967 Phil Niekro ATL, Throws-R, S9/R3 (doubtful on the *), 3L Balance, 1.87 ERA, 1.06 WHIP 67 is better than his current best card. It probably will get a lot of use since it most likely will be a five man rotation card.
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38. 1936 Lou Gehrig NYY, Bats-L, 1R Balance, 354/478/696, 1.174 OPS, 1B-3e9. His 2nd MVP season, NOT Bulletproof.
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39. 2002 Barry Bonds SF, Bats-L, 4L Balance, 370/582/799, 1.381 OPS, LF-2(+2)e10, Steal:*4/-(16-6) A little different from the other ATG Bonds cards, the 2002 card is better against lefties. An absolute monster of a card! 46 hr's and 31 doubles in only 403 ab, 
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40. 2003 Eric Chavez Oakland A's 3b
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41. 1954 Yogi Berra NYY C/3B - .307/.367/.488 2R Balance, C-1(-3)e4, 3b-4e37 - MVP - probably a nice 5 mil card
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42. 1968 Stan Bahnsen NYY SP* - Rookie of the Year / 2.05 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 1R Balance, S8*/R4 - has 2 lesser carded years (1 SP '72 CHW/ 1 RP '80 MON)
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43. 1967 Orlando Cepeda, STL, 1B, DO-39, HR-25, RBI-111, BA- .325 OBP-.399 SLG - .524 League MVP for the champs.... 4L Balance, 1b-2e11
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44. 1993 Paul Molitor Toronto Blue Jays .332avg/.402obp 22/5/37/111rbi77 bb 22sb over 680 plate appearances and world series mvp, 3L Balance, 1b-4e21
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45. 1991 Otis Nixon - ATL OF .297/.371/.327. Fun player, 72 SB in a 124 games, 1L Balance, CF/LF/RF-2(+2)e5, *2-7,11/-(18-16)
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46. 1969 Andy Messersmith, Angels, SP & RP, 2.52 ERA, 1.08 Whip, 250 innings, 211Ks, gives Angels another solid SP, E Balance, S8*/R3
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47. 1990 Dave Magadan Mets 1b/3b .328/.417, 5R Balance, 1b-3e3, 3b-4e12, Obp 6 hr/6 trp/28dbl/ 74 bb good platoon played 15 years no card
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48. 1970 Alex Johnson CAL LF- .329 AL batting title, .824 OPS, 614 AB , 2R Balance, LF/RF-4(+2)e13 - represented by only 2 lesser, cheap cards
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49. 1952 Ferris Fain -- PHA -- .327/.438/.429/.867, 43 doubles, 105 walks, good for small ball teams, plus-600 plate appearances, E Balance, 1b-1e23
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50. 1964 Bob Allison MIN OF/1B - .287/.404/.553, 2L Balance, LF/RF-3(-1)e3, CF-4(-1)e3, 1b-4e20 - 60s Mystery Set card is valued at $7.26M but top ATG card is $2.04M
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Salty

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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 11:45 am

largely agree with RBurgh's analysis of the players we are getting---
okay, well hopefully getting anyway.

at least now everyone has a fairly equal voice in the nominating process, which I didn't find to be the case prior to this;
and we seem to be filing at least some needs for most people- a bit of franchise, high caps, low caps, players with few to no cards etc.

Generally speaking find this is an improvement-
assuming the cards do actually get here in the forseeable future.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 12:03 pm

Thanks, Salty. Maybe I should do this at the start of the process, so we don't get as many dead cards voted in.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 12:10 pm

Still way too much emphasis on the best possible card regardless of price. This is how we get yet another Bonds, Cobb, and Pedro.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 1:03 pm

STEVE F wrote:Still way too much emphasis on the best possible card regardless of price. This is how we get yet another Bonds, Cobb, and Pedro.



To me, improvements on current cards have to be either a card that is more representative of the player than what we have, like a better Bobby Bonilla card, or one that is fundamentally different, like the 07 Chipper Jones with its strong RH balance compared to the 99 Jones.

Like Gehrig, I love the guy, but he was so consistent that all his best cards are very similar.

There are plenty of guys who impacted MLB who haven't been added, but as long as the big names and newer cards are there, for the most part they will get the votes.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 1:08 pm

rburgh wrote:Thanks, Salty. Maybe I should do this at the start of the process, so we don't get as many dead cards voted in.



I actually do think that would be really helpful.
and am sure folks will argue about it- but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

to address Steve's Bonds/Cobb/Pedro comment - the price thing works both ways, as RBurgh pointed out (and why the pre-analysis might be really helpful)- sometimes people are counting on a card being priced low to be of use- that to me is at least as big of an issue, since price is not pre-determined.
HOWEVER-
what Id say is that there should really be an extraordinary reason to have more than 3 cards for any player- which is what Andy essentially wrote as I was finishing typing this.
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Re: 19.2 Voting now Open!

PostWed Mar 06, 2019 1:46 pm

This is why I’ve been submitting card ideas with stats based on Veterans 75 through DiamondDope to be able to see how cards will really perform.

For instance, the 77 and 80 Al Bumbry seasons appear very similar, with a slight edge to 1980.
BUT, when you pull the actual stats from the cards with DiamondDope, 1977 is much better than 1980.

Also why I posted a Lou Brock poll. Are any of those new cards I posted really that different from what we already have? I’d like a better Brock card, but I don’t think it’s out there.
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