17.4 Card Add direction...

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17.4 Card Add direction...

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 1:14 pm

Below is the breakdown of our card adds to date, also broken out to show this years adds so far. Take a look (or not) and provide your comments on the direction of our next add.

175 Cards Added Since inception of new process / 100 Cards added in 2017 so far. The Salary breakdown % doesn't include our yet to be priced 17.3 card add.
Category All Adds PCT 17.n PCT
New Franchise 124 71% 75 75%
Zero Cards 97 55% 60 60%
Pitchers 61 35% 39 39%
SP 36 21% 20 20%
RP 21 12% 17 17%
SP/RP 5 3% 3 3%
C 7 4% 5 5%
1B 25 14% 9 9%
2B 17 10% 11 11%
3B 14 8% 9 9%
SS 11 6% 8 8%
OF 53 30% 29 29%
2010+ 24 14% 8 8%
2000+ 64 37% 49 49%
1990+ 18 10% 8 8%
1980+ 9 5% 3 3%
1970+ 14 8% 5 5%
1960+ 10 6% 8 8%
1950+ 15 9% 9 9%
1940+ 4 2% 2 2%
1930+ 3 2% 1 1%
1920+ 7 4% 3 3%
1910+ 3 2% 2 2%
1900+ 2 1% 2 2%
1880+ 2 1% 0 0%
MVP 6 3% 3 3%
CY 5 3% 2 2%
$10+ 5 4% 2 4%
$9+ 13 10% 5 10%
$8+ 17 14% 6 12%
$7+ 26 21% 9 18%
$6+ 17 14% 6 12%
$5+ 19 15% 8 16%
$4+ 13 10% 5 10%
$3+ 9 7% 4 8%
$2+ 1 1% 0 0%
$1+ 3 2% 3 6%
$0+ 2 2% 2 4%

MVP 190
MVP Years in ATG 140 74%

MVP Unique Players 147
MVP Players in ATG 146 99%

CY 111
CY Years in ATG 81 73%

Cy Unique Players 77
CY Players in ATG 71 92%

Franchise Totals 16.1 16.2 17.1 17.2 17.3
Franchise/Total Cards 175 50 25 25 25 50
Angels 2 2 0 0 0 0
Astros 6 0 3 1 0 2
Athletics 8 3 1 1 0 3
Blue Jays 5 0 3 0 2 0
Braves 3 2 0 0 0 1
Brewers 3 2 1 0 0 0
Cardinals 4 2 1 0 0 1
Cubs 7 2 0 2 2 1
Diamondbacks 1 0 1 0 0 0
Dodgers 5 1 0 1 2 1
Expos/Nationals 5 2 1 0 2 0
Giants 7 1 0 3 0 3
Indians 7 2 3 1 1 0
Mariners 3 0 2 0 1 0
Marlins 7 1 1 2 2 1
Mets 5 2 0 1 0 2
Orioles/Browns 2 1 1 0 0 0
Padres 4 3 X 1 0 0
Phillies 5 2 2 1 0 0
Pirates 5 3 1 0 1 0
Rays 28 1 0 1 1 25
Red Sox 7 3 X 1 1 2
Reds 6 1 1 2 1 1
Rockies 4 1 2 0 0 1
Royals 2 1 0 0 0 1
Rangers/Senators 4 1 0 1 2 0
Twins/Senators 5 1 0 1 2 1
Tigers 8 5 X 2 1 0
White Sox 8 3 X 1 2 2
Yankees 9 2 1 2 2 2
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction...

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 1:58 pm

Out of the 25, Id like to see 10 high cap cards added this go round.
There were some players from last time that would be great to have in the set.

Id like to see another 10 go towards filling franchise needs even though that's not my cup of tea--
am sympathetic towards the folks who want to play a few of those teams-- ideally maybe a player such as
Chris Davis of the Orioles might serve both purposes?

Is anyone keeping a list of which franchises need players at certain positions still?

5 cards maybe we should leave for run off voting like last time--
this way we can get in some others folks might not have thought on that are really
interesting players-- like maybe a Milton Bradley just as an example.
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction...

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 2:26 pm

Salty wrote:Out of the 25, Id like to see 10 high cap cards added this go round.
There were some players from last time that would be great to have in the set.

Id like to see another 10 go towards filling franchise needs even though that's not my cup of tea--
am sympathetic towards the folks who want to play a few of those teams-- ideally maybe a player such as
Chris Davis of the Orioles might serve both purposes?

Is anyone keeping a list of which franchises need players at certain positions still?

5 cards maybe we should leave for run off voting like last time--
this way we can get in some others folks might not have thought on that are really
interesting players-- like maybe a Milton Bradley just as an example.

I'm basically in agreement with this. More lefty relievers for high cap! 8-)
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction...

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 4:41 pm

YUP...

I seem to recall a certain Jeff Russell that would be an excellent add.
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1981 BIAS

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 4:50 pm

I’ve posted this in past years, but I can’t give it up. There seems to be an obvious discrimination against player cards from 1981 in the ATG8 set.

BATTER CARDS:
1978 - 35
1979 - 48
1980 - 48
1981 - 2
1982 - 66
1983 - 34
1984 - 76

PITCHER CARDS:
1978 - 28
1979 - 30
1980 - 31
1981 - 8
1982 - 49
1983 - 28
1984 - 51

Is it just because the players went on strike in the middle of the season? Is this some sort of twisted pay-back? What gives? 1981 was memorable for many reasons:
- Six of the 7 AL East teams had records over .500.
- Billy Martin's "small-ball" Oakland A's lead the league in HR.
- The Yankees won the pennant, and then missed the play-off for the next 14 seasons.
- Over in the NL, because of the strike the teams with the best records in both divisions missed the play-offs.
- The Expos made their only play-off appearance.
- For the only time in history, the World Series MVP was shared by 3 players.

One argument is that everybody would be a 15-game injury risk but couldn't strat pro-rate the card for Injuries? I know you can pro-rate players for 162 that played in strike shortened seasons in a very old version I had (6.2) that was released on floppy disks. It would be simple enough to pro-rate the 600 Plate Appearances based on the percentage of real games played. It's just math, and works out to approximately 395. I don't know how their programs are written, but to correct this can't be more than one line of coding.

We all use players all the time that have 15-game injury chances. Isn't it Strat's role to make players available, and then our decision which players we choose to use?

Just a few examples here of deserving players, trying to stay away from players that are already well represented from other seasons. They may have other, better seasons, but 1981 needs all the help it can get :
1981 Tony Armas – 22 HR in 440 AB, .480 SLG, .774 OPS
1981 Hubie Brooks - .307 BA, .411 SLG, .756 OPS
1981 Dwight Evans - .296 BA, .415 OBP, .522 SLG, .937 OPS
1981 Greg Luzinski – 21 HR in 378 AB, .365 OBP, .476 SLG, .841 OPS
1981 Milt May - .310 BA, .376 OBP, .759 OPS
1981 Steve McCatty – 14-7, 2.33 ERA, 1.08 WHIP
1981 Jerry Mumphrey - .307 BA, .429 SLG, .783 OPS
1981 Tom Paciorek - .326 BA, .379 OBP, .509 SLG, .888 OPS
1981 Tim Raines - .304 BA, .391 OBP, .829 OPS, 71 SB (rookie season)
1981 Jerry Remy - .307 BA, .368 OBP
1981 Mike Scioscia - .276 BA, .353 OBP (rookie season)
1981 Dave Winfield - .294 BA, .464 SLG, .824 OPS (1st Yankee season)
1981 Richie Zisk .311 BA, .485 SLG, .851 OPS

Armas may be the most deserving from this list. He was one of the top power hitters in the AL from 1980-85 but is only represented by his very sub-par 1986.

And while I'm at it, can we PLEASE add Bob Bailey's 1970 season to that list too? For a young Expos team it was a very magical and captivating year, and deserves to be recognized. No, it NEEDS to be recognized!
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction...

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 5:05 pm

I'm good with another 10 high-cap cards...

Other than that I'd like the focus to be on adding more pre-2000 cards (60's thru 90's)...

Two pitcher upgrades would be 1969 Fritz Peterson (his only card in the set was not one of his best years) and 1970 Lindy McDaniel (also a much better card than the one in the set)...

I'd like to see 1981 Bill Almon in the set...mvp-19 for the White Sox that year...15 years in MLB and no card in ATG...

Thanks,
Bill
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction... the '81 thing

PostSat Sep 30, 2017 11:53 pm

Falcon29 mentioned the lack of '81 cards:

I think its probably because that season produces performances that are statistically skewed, if I can put it that way;

having said that, he did produce an interesting list of possibilities my 4 favorites from it, fwiw:

1981 Tony Armas – 22 HR in 440 AB, .480 SLG, .774 OPS
1981 Hubie Brooks - .307 BA, .411 SLG, .756 OPS
1981 Dwight Evans - .296 BA, .415 OBP, .522 SLG, .937 OPS
1981 Steve McCatty – 14-7, 2.33 ERA, 1.08 WHIP
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction...

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 1:53 pm

I'd like to see some 1981 cards added...

My top two would be the aforementioned Bill Almon (15 years, no card) and the Dave Righetti ROY card (great 5th day lefty starter)...
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction...

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 3:46 pm

BC15NY wrote:I'd like to see some 1981 cards added...

My top two would be the aforementioned Bill Almon (15 years, no card) and the Dave Righetti ROY card (great 5th day lefty starter)...


I have no problem with either of those players. They're both added to the list, along with a few other notables:
1981 Doyle Alexander - 11-7, 2.89 ERA, 1.31 WHIP
1981 Bill Almon - .301 BA, .716 OPS, 16 SB
1981 Tony Armas – 22 HR in 440 AB, .480 SLG, .774 OPS
1981 Hubie Brooks - .307 BA, .411 SLG, .756 OPS
1981 Dwight Evans - .296 BA, .415 OBP, .522 SLG, .937 OPS
1981 Bob Knepper - 9-5, 2.18 ERA, 1.06 WHIP (NL Comeback Player Of The Year)
1981 Rick Langford - 12-10, 2.99 ERA, 1.27 WHIP (But his 1980 season was much better, and probably more deserving)
1981 Carney Lansford - .336 BA (lead MLB), .389 OBP, .828 OPS
1981 Greg Luzinski – 21 HR in 378 AB, .365 OBP, .476 SLG, .841 OPS
1981 Milt May - .310 BA, .376 OBP, .759 OPS
1981 Steve McCatty – 14-7, 2.33 ERA, 1.08 WHIP
1981 Jerry Mumphrey - .307 BA, .429 SLG, .783 OPS
1981 Eddie Murray - 22 HR in 378 AB, .294 BA .594 SLG, .894 OPS
1981 Tom Paciorek - .326 BA, .379 OBP, .509 SLG, .888 OPS
1981 Tim Raines - .304 BA, .391 OBP, .829 OPS, 71 SB (rookie season)
1981 Jerry Remy - .307 BA, .368 OBP
1981 Pete Rose - .325 BA, .390 OBP (at age 40, no cards after 1976)
1981 Nolan Ryan - 11-5, 1.69 ERA, 1.12 WHIP (no cards between '73 and '86)
1981 Dave Righetti - 15 GS, 8-4, 2.05 ERA, 1.07 WHIP (ROY)
1981 Mike Scioscia - .276 BA, .353 OBP (rookie season)
1981 Dave Winfield - .294 BA, .464 SLG, .824 OPS (1st Yankee season)
1981 Richie Zisk .311 BA, .485 SLG, .851 OPS (AL Comeback Player Of The Year)
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Re: 17.4 Card Add direction... the '81 thing

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 9:57 am

PATRICKCASSIDY wrote:Falcon29 mentioned the lack of '81 cards:

I think its probably because that season produces performances that are statistically skewed, if I can put it that way;



Actually its more likely the injury factor since no one got 600 ABs they are all 15 game risks.
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