17.2 FINAL POLL - CLOSED

Please pick 25 players you'd like to see added to ATG. This is the FINAL POLL FOR 17.2.

Ties will be broken by the following methodology....
1. # of cards in ATG
2. Yrs in career divided by # of cards in ATG
3. Would card result in New Franchise for player
4. Most underrepresented Franchise

Voting will close Noon PT May 9th

Please see string below to see more detail on the players posted by the nominees

Here's the key...

First Name / Last Name / Year / Franchise / Position / Bats.Throws / Current Cards in ATG / Would card add represent adding a new Franchise for this player / years in career

VOTE!

I ranked these cards by percentage of votes received across both polls to come up with a group of under 50 cards (the limit of the poll) for our final 17.2 vote. This gives us 48 cards to vote on. The list below is not a ranking, it was just the easiest format to cut and paste into this post.

Here's the math on how I determined the percentage of votes received:
Total number of votes in the poll/25 allowed per mgr = number of votes in each poll. Took that number and divided it into the number of votes received per player.

Surprisingly the number of votes per poll had a 122 delta, hmmm.

Cards just missing out on this final vote(sorry not trying to rub it in):
Matty Alou, Dizzy Trout and Silver King...all had 58.4% of the votes, which put them .2% back.

Added card links where possible, cleaned up, added last few nominations to the list.
The card links with a /60 /70 /80 or /90 at the end are from Mystery Games. Mouse over the desired year to see the appropriate card.The defensive ratings are NOT accurate.

KEY:
AVE/OBP/SLG/OPS
BC = Better Card than currently in Set
MBC = Much better card
MMBC = Much Much better card
LL = Led league in that category
MVP-X = where they ended up that season in the MVP voting
CY-X = CY voting
XCards = # of cards in the ATG set

Tried to leave the context of your submission intact but edited for length here and there. We will vote on a separate thread but this will be the post that includes the details/highlights of the players.

1.Bert Campaneris/1970/OAK/SS/279-321-341-769, 22 homers /3 Cards/BC/Hack Wilson
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/731722/1670/1/70

2.Carlos Pena/2007/TB/1B/.282/.411/.627 (46 HR), 2e9, AL comeback Player of the Year, 1st of 3 straight years with 30+ HRs 100+ RBIs, great guy, the RAYs badly need some more players!/9th in MVP/0 Cards/BC15NY
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/885/2007/1/2007

3. Duke Snider/1954/ .341/.423/.647 CF His best card/2 Cards/Steve F

4. Willie Stargell/1973/OF/299 .392 .646 1.038 (OPS+ 186!!) His best year, no 15 game injury/2 Cards/ratioman2
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/741487/1670/1/70

5. Jeff Russell/1989/TEX 72 IP / .95 WHIP / 1.98 ERA / 38 saves. Nomadbrad
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/840457/1680/1/80

6. Kent Hrbek MIN/1987/285/389/545/934/34 Hr 90 RBI/World Series Champion /Chilliards
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/835664/1680/1/80

7. Vernon Wells/2003/TOR/CF/317/359/550/49 2b's/33 HRs/215 hits/8th in MVP/0 Cards/visick

8. Manny Ramirez/1999/CLV/44HRs/165RBI/333/442/663/2 Cards/Over 600PA's
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/944/1999/1/1999 /FrankM

9. Eric Young/1996/COL/2B/324 BA/393 OBP/53 SB/(31 Ks in 643 PA)/0 Cards/Need another Rockies player added to the collection!/rolandzeut

10. Taylor Douthit/1929/STL/CF-1e12(-1)/336/416/471/Leadoff batter/CF for 1926-1931 Cardinals/13th in MVP/0 Cards/ including 26 World Series/andycummings

11. Johnny Mize/1947/NYG/ 51 Homeruns/3rd in MVP/2 Cards/would be fist Giants card/Chris Franco

12. Derrek Lee/2005/CHC/1B/.335-.418-.662-1.080/199 hits & batting title/50 2B, 46 HR & slugging champ/3rd in MVP/both Gold Glove & Silver Slugger/0 Cards/CHC-EXP has no 1B who is both a great hitter & a great fielder/tcochran

13. Cesar Tovar. 1970 Twins. 300/356/442 613 AB/1 Card/packleader
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/742159/1670/1/70

14. Nolan Ryan/1991/TEX/career best 1.01 whip led league. 10.6k/9 /EMK

15. Juan Pierre/2004/Marlins/CF/326/374/407/45 SB, led NL with 12 triples & 221 hits, played all 162 games and made only 2 errors. (His 2003 is nearly as good as a 2nd choice.)/GARRETTGOODRICH

16. Mike Norris/1980/OAK/22-9/24 cg, 6.8 hp9/0'cards currently, screwball pitcher's memorable year/honestiago
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/738921/1670/1/70

17. John Hiller /1973/DET/125 IP/10-5/38 saves/1.44 era/1.02 whip/rickburr
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/735392/1670/1/70

18. Gary Sheffield /1996/FLA/314/465/624/1.090 /189 OPS best season /casey89
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/1059/1690/1/90

19. Ryne Duren/1958/RP (started 1 game)/1.097 WHIP/10.3 SO9/4.3H9/Save leader with 19/ROY-2/AS/MVP-22/ Mumford
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/33313/1660/1/60

20. Reggie Sanders/1995/CIN/RF-CF/.306/397/579/975/Only All-Star season/6th in MVP voting/0 Cards/Ragnarokpc

21. Jose Vidro/2000/MON/2B/330/379/540/918/Doug Tucker

22. Bob Watson/1975/1b/LF, 324/375/495/CTStough

23. Clayton Kershaw/2016/LAD/0.725 whip/Best whip ever (.725) for a starting pitcher. This card, like Pedro's best card, is a non*, bolstering the efficacy of five man rotations and providing a nice counterpoint to the already strong Kershaw card/The Last Druid
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90725/2016/1/2016

24. Chet Lemon/1979/CWS/CF/318/391/496/44 2b/1D CF/fills CF CWS exp gap for those of of who like to play franchise theme leagues/2cityfan
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/836967/1680/1/80

25. Justin Morneau/2006/MIN/321/.375/.559, MVP year, decent glove. 34 HRs, 130 RBI. In other years, he came in second in the MVP two years later, and lead the NL in hitting in 2014/0 cards/pbebus

26. Hubie Brooks/1985/MON/SS/269/413/723 - 10th in mvp and depth to MON SS/garmonaitis
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/831354/1680/1/80

27. Heinie Manush/1928/SLB/378/47 doubles/20 triples/13HR/989 OPS/2nd in MVP/MBC/Roosky

28. Glenn Beckert/1971/CHC/342A/367obp/only 9 e at 2B/11th in MVP/egvrich
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/730697/1670/1/70

29. Carlos Baerga/1993/CLE/2B/321-355-486-840, hated when he came to the plate against my O's. power hitting 2B/cassidygt

30. Albert Belle/1998/CWS/LF/.328 - .399 - .655 690. Arguably the best offensive full season in White Sox history. Set team records for HRs (49), RBI (152) and extra base hits (99). Played in 163 games, so injury free. Led AL in SLG (.655), OPS (1.055), OPS+ (172), extra base hits & TB (399). 2nd in AL in HRs, 2B (48), RBI and offensive WAR (7.3). Career high 200 hits. 3rd in AL in BA. Surprisingly, led AL in LF putouts and double plays and was 3rd in range factor. BDWard

31. JJ Putz 2007/RHRP/SEA/6-1/71 IP/1.38 ERA/.698 WHIP/13th in MVP vote. Would give the Mariners a dominant Bullpen. M's need SS, C, LF and Pitching Pitching Pitching JJ would help. Palerydr2.0
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90466/2007/1/2007

32. Roger Maris 1960/NYY/ OBP .371/SLG .581/ OPS .952 /OPS+ 160. Gold Glove. His first MVP year (and 2nd card). Radical platoon split (1.070 vs RHP), so a force at higher salary caps. RF & CF./Outta Leftfield
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/37521/1660/1/60

33. Cuckoo Christensen/1926/CIN/OF/.350-.426-.438/Lead NL in OBP/No power Lefty with a huge RHP bias like Weintraub. Played briefly in 1927 then never got back to the bigs/ScumbyJr
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... cu01.shtml

34. Roy Sievers/WAS/1957/301/388/579/967/BC/led league in HR and RBI first man to do so for a last place team/3rd in MVP behind Williams and Mantle/2 Cards/just passed, would be a small but nice tribute to have his best season in ATG/Rosie2167

35. Barry Zito/2002/OAK/23-5/2.75 ERA/1.13 WHIP/229.1 IP/182 K/0Cards/Cy Young Award winner/davesquare3

36. Roger Metzger /1973/HOU/SS/250/299/322/621/14 triples - GG. Best fielding SS from 70's,he will hit a triple every now and then/0Cards/LMBombers
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/738169/1670/1/70

37. Placido Polanco/2007/DET/2B-2 E-0/341/388/458/36 DB/16 seasons with a career .297 BA, 3 GG. In 2007 he played 2B in 142 games without making a single error!/MVP-17/0Cards/Radagast Brown
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/918/2007/1/2007

38. Bill Joyce/1894/WAS/3B/355/496/648/1.143/0Cards/jrb16915

39. Vladimir Guerrero/2000/MON/RF/345/410/664/1.074 - His best card and future hall of famer/MVP-6/1 card/djp_77

40. Mark Teixeira /2005 TEX/1B/.301/.379/.575/144 RBIs/3 errors/MVP-7/.998 field pct/SWITCH HITTER, WE NEED MORE SWITCH HITTERS!! Tex deserves a card!/lanier64

41. Dick McAuliffe/1966/274/373/509/882/His main position was shortstop in 1966. The only good lefty hitting SS
in ATG who are 3 or better Vaughan, Lloyd, Travis and Pesky. He more then likely have a range of 3. Here is a link to his mystery cards which has a 1966 season on it. http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/37720/1660/1/60 / DARRELLPICKELL

42. Luis Aparicio /1970/CWS/SS/313/372/404/776/HOF SS/best season/MVP12/career highs in BA, SLG, OBP, OPS & OPS+. Last of 9 Gold Gloves. Most HOFers have their best card, but not Aparicio. CWS desperately need expansion SS/Big Willie
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/730257/1670/1/70

43. Ray Durham/1998/CWS/2b-2/285/363/455/818/0Cards/majicmg
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/323/1690/1/90

44. Mike Lowell/2007/BOS/3b/324/378/501/879/MVP-5/rookssa12
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/685/2007/1/2007

45. Torii Hunter/2007/MIN/287/334/505/839/ 1 in CF with a -3 arm/MVP-13/GG/schwabdude12
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/545/2007/1/2007

46. Mickey Mantle/1957/NYY/CF/365/512/665/1.177/MVP/Thomasmore

47. Ted Williams/1949/BOS/LF/3e6(-2)/4R/343/490/650/1.141/MVP/Toine

48. BJ Ryan/2006/TOR/RP/65g/38svs/1.37era/.857whip/great season and Jays need a good lefty reliever/toronto50

Campaigning for Carlos Pena...how about including him in your top 25?

We only have 3 Rays cards in the entire ATG set and this should be a great card.

Please vote for Carlos!

Thanks,
Bill

And any of these guys with 10 or so years in MLB with No Card.

Agree with Andy on this. The next round should ONLY be for players without cards that will help in filling in gaps with any team through the years. Enough of players getting a 4th or 5th card.

Gents==

this has already become a franchise heavy process--
quite frankly for those of us who play higher caps it kind of sux;
Im not blaming anyone, although would have much preferred the process to only include 50 cards from the outset.

Gents==

this has already become a franchise heavy process--
quite frankly for those of us who play higher caps it kind of sux;
Im not blaming anyone, although would have much preferred the process to only include 50 cards from the outset.

I guess it's all in the perspective. When I see Roger Metzger keep getting nominated but never voted in, along with almost every Rays player coming up empty, it doesn't seem like a franchise-heavy process to me at all. A lot of cards from the last add can only be played at higher caps, as I recall. (Ferdie Schupp, etc.)

The beauty of this process is that we can dictate the parameters; no previous cards, high end, low end, lefties that had mustaches...whatever. We can bat that around after this vote.

I'm curious in particular with Salty's comments. Salty - to you what kind of card is playable at the higher caps. I have my idea but I think you probably play in those leagues way more than I do. tks

The beauty of this process is that we can dictate the parameters; no previous cards, high end, low end, lefties that had mustaches...whatever. We can bat that around after this vote.

I'm curious in particular with Salty's comments. Salty - to you what kind of card is playable at the higher caps. I have my idea but I think you probably play in those leagues way more than I do. tks

Thank you for asking-- and for BC--
no, there were only a few players in the last add that were suitable for high caps.

Basically if a guy is getting on base less than 40-45% on the card forget it-- they will essentially suck unless its all HRs, but even then maybe not.

So--- depending on position of course b/c guys that play 2b, SS and maybe C probably need to have an OPS around .950 or above and/or get on base at least 50% of the time vs. righties and/or maybe 55% vs. lefties (in a platoon situation either side works) and of course middle inf. need to be a 1 or a 2.
There are plenty of 1bs and DHs so they would need to be higher, defense means a lot less.

IF its an RF, LF or CF or 3B should be a 1 or a 2 in the field maybe a 3 if they can crush it. OPS of at least 1.000 imo.

So a couple of the cards that I wouldve used that were nominated were obviously Cano but also Chris Davis, and I think there are a few of the cards left like Snider, maybe Stargell, maybe a couple of the RPs, I mean haven't seen their cards so don't know. and def the Kershaw card would be used. The new TW and Mantle might work, potentially the Sheffield card of course the Bonds card could be used.

This string is a good start to our 17.3 discussion. To facilitate that convo lets move it onto another post...
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=642247

Come on folks, lets see some votes for Heinie Manush/1928/SLB/378/47 doubles/20 triples/13HR/989 OPS/2nd in MVP. He is a hall of famer with only a decent card. Personally my number one goal is to make sure that every hall of famer has one of their best seasons available. The name of the game is All-Time Greats for crying out loud!