17.1 Card Add process COMPLETED

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17.1 Card Add process COMPLETED

PostTue Nov 15, 2016 6:09 pm

Yes that's right we are going to get ahead of things for once. The goal will be to have a group of cards ready to submit the day SOM says they are ready for them...reducing the time to 'market' by 2-3 weeks.

First of all I'm going to add the manager handles to the Franchise and ERA forum titles so its easier to remember who is doing what.

17.1 Card Add, here we go, PLEASE NOTE, this voting will be done in stages. It may come across as overly complex but its not, we will methodically move through the groups as we build out the next 25.

...Heads up ERA Ambassadors, we'll be leaning heavily on your direction this Card Add as the focus will be non-EXP cards, but I want to leverage our 16.2 vote so here's the breakdown by group of the card adds for 17.1
1) 6 EXP Cards (3 each Pitcher and Batter)
2) 10 PostPreDB (PPD) Cards (5 each Pitcher and Batter)
3) 4 Low End Role playing type Cards from PPD
4) 5 Cards from the PPD ERAs, any combo of Pitcher/Batter

1) 6 EXP Cards
Batters
-Mike Piazza, NYM 2000 and Evan Longoria, TBR 2009 were the next two highest vote getters in 16.2, they're in.
-We will vote to include one more from the following list (I'll publish a poll so no voting here)
Andres Galaraga, COL '93
Willie Davis, LAD '71
Terry Pendleton, BRV '91
Luis Castillo, FLA 2003
Ken Singleton, BAL 1977
These were the next batch of players from EXP
Pitchers
-Madison Bumgarner, SFG 2013 was the next EXP pitcher in the voting, he's in.
-We will vote to include two more from the following list
Dontrelle Willis, FLA 2005
Barry Zito, A's 2002
JJ Putz, SEA 2007
Jake Peavy, SDP 2007
Octavio Dotel, HOU 2002
Grant Balfour, TBR 2008
RA Dickey, NYM 2012
Jason Schmidt, SFG 2003
Dallas Keuchel, HOU 2015
Rafael Betancourt, CLV 2007

2) 10 PPD Cards
Batters
-Elmer Flick, PHI 1900, Hank Sauer, CHC 1952 and George H Burns, CLV 1926 were the next highest non-EXP vote getters in 16.2, they're in.
-We will vote to include two more from a list that includes Cap Anson and Mike Tiernan. Need 8-18 more for our voting group, less is better in my opinion but 20 is a fine number. Anson and Tiernan don't have to be a part of the group as they were down the results a bit, up to the ERA ambassadors.
Pitchers
-Ted Abernathy, CIN 1967 and Noodles Hahn, CIN 1902 were the next highest non-EXP vote getters in 16.2, they're in.
-We will vote to include three more from a list that includes; Garland Braxton, Hugh Casey and Turk Farrell. Need 7-13 more. Only restriction is no additional REDS.

3) 4 Low End Role player Cards
This will need some thought. Only parameter is that these come from PPD. I'll start a thread for these specific players to allow the conversation/debates to be in one place. Ultimately we'll need 20 or so players for our vote. The art is going to be targeting players that will turn into cards in the under $3 mil range.

4) 5 PPD Cards
Once we have the 20 from the above buckets filled it should allow us to quickly pull together a voting pool of 20 or so to choose our final 5 spots. Also by putting this group last we could use some of the spots for ties if we want to.

As always I will pause for comments before moving forward.

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Re: 17.1 Card Add process

PostTue Nov 15, 2016 8:15 pm

Remind me what PPD stands for.
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Re: 17.1 Card Add process

PostTue Nov 15, 2016 8:19 pm

Valen wrote:Remind me what PPD stands for.

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Re: 17.1 Card Add process

PostWed Nov 16, 2016 5:27 am

Here are a few random low-end players from the PPD eras to consider, none of which are currently represented in the ATG set:

I'll start by putting in a plug for Nels Potter, pitcher from 1936-49. He had a few decent season during WW2, and my suggestion would be to use 1945 when he went 15-11 for the St. Louis Browns with a WHIP of 1.10 and only 10 HR allowed in 255 IP. What draws me to him though is that he pitched almost 1700 innings, almost all of which were with the Browns, the Philadelphia A's and the Boston Braves, none of which survive in those cities anymore.

Another name worth bring up is former Giants' 1B Whitey Lockman. He had a very steady if unspectacular career through the 1950s. From 1948 through 1953 he batted in succession .286, .301, .295, .282, .290, and .295, with OPS ranging between .740 and .815. I'd suggest considering his 1949 season, (.301-.368-.429-.797 with 12 SB in 617 AB).

Ray Prim only ever had one good season, but it was in 1945 at age 38 with, as we all know, what was to be the last Cub team to win the NL Pennant for quite some time. In 165 IP mostly as a starter, Prim went 13-8 that season with a WHIP of 1.00 and only 23 BB and 9 HR allowed. Much like the Cubs, he pretty much disappeared after that, but played an important role in what was to turn out to be an historic season for the team.
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Re: 17.1 Card Add process

PostWed Nov 16, 2016 8:58 pm

I'm going to throw out a few. To have some fun, I'm pulling these off top baseball names lists

From Bleacher Reports:
"Ugly" Johnny Dickshot - OF 1923 - .254/.323/.348
Dick Padden - 2B 1904 - .238/.325/.298 led league in HBP
Lidell "Cannonball" Titcomb - SP Had a good 1888 with NYG. 1887 would be a good >$3M card
William "Pickles" Dillhoeffer - C 1920 - .263/.304/.326

From sbnation:
Heine Meine - P Tied for NL lead in wins 1919
Mysterious Walker - P 1931 was his best year 58 IP

From Sportsgrid
Butts Wagner (brother of Honus) - INF 1898 .224/.298/.305
Chief Yellow Horse - P 1922 77 IP
Chicken Hawks - OF/1B 1925 - .322/.387/.447
Piggy Ward - OF/1B - couple of seasons to choose from in the 1890s
Hick Carpenter - 3B 1880 drew 2 walks in 302 PA
Dizzy Nutter - OF - one season 1919 56 PA
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Re: 17.1 Card Add process

PostFri Nov 25, 2016 3:56 pm

We need more players named, "Whitey".
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Re: 17.1 Card Add process - Group 1 complete

PostThu Dec 01, 2016 10:14 am

I'm pleased to announce that the Marlins are on the board!

Batters:
Luis Castillo edges out Singleton and Galaraga to join Piazza and Longoria as EXP batters to be added in 17.1.

Pitchers:
Jake Peavy (NICE!) and Dontrelle Willis will be going through in this tough group.

1) 6 EXP Cards
Batters
-Mike Piazza, NYM 2000 and Evan Longoria, TBR 2009 were the next two highest vote getters in 16.2, they're in.
-We will vote to include one more from the following list (I'll publish a poll so no voting here)
Andres Galaraga, COL '93 - 10 votes
Willie Davis, LAD '71 - 3 votes
Terry Pendleton, BRV '91 - 9 votes
Luis Castillo, FLA 2003 - 12 votes
Ken Singleton, BAL 1977 - 11 votes
These were the next batch of players from EXP
Pitchers
-Madison Bumgarner, SFG 2013 was the next EXP pitcher in the voting, he's in.
-We will vote to include two more from the following list
Dontrelle Willis, FLA 2005 - 11 votes
Barry Zito, A's 2002 - 9 votes
JJ Putz, SEA 2007 - 9 votes
Jake Peavy, SDP 2007 - 13 votes
Octavio Dotel, HOU 2002 - 8 votes
Grant Balfour, TBR 2008 - 6 votes
RA Dickey, NYM 2012 - 6 votes
Jason Schmidt, SFG 2003 - 9 votes
Dallas Keuchel, HOU 2015 - 8 votes
Rafael Betancourt, CLV 2007 - 5 votes

Onto group 2...
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Re: 17.1 Card Add process-Group 1 complete

PostSat Dec 03, 2016 3:43 pm

Group 2) 10 PPD Cards
Batters
-Elmer Flick, PHI 1900, Hank Sauer, CHC 1952 and George H Burns, CLV 1926 were the next highest non-EXP vote getters in 16.2, they're in.
-We will vote to include two more from a list that includes Cap Anson and Mike Tiernan. Need 8-18 more for our voting group, less is better in my opinion but 20 is a fine number. Anson and Tiernan don't have to be a part of the group as they were down the results a bit, up to the ERA ambassadors.
Pitchers
-Ted Abernathy, CIN 1967 and Noodles Hahn, CIN 1902 were the next highest non-EXP vote getters in 16.2, they're in.
-We will vote to include three more from a list that includes; Garland Braxton, Hugh Casey and Turk Farrell. Need 7-13 more. Only restriction is no additional REDS.

I'll set up the polls today

Batters in our Group 2 poll...
Tiernan Mike 1896
Sievers Roy 1960
Selbach Kip 1895
Rogell Billy 1933
Richardson Hardy 1885
Ott Mel 1938
Mostil Johnny 1926
Lockman Whitey 1948
Lindell Johnny 1948
Lange Bill 1895
Kuenn Harvey 1959
Judnich Wally 1940
Joyce Bill 1896
Hayes Jackie 1936
Falk Bibb 1926
Clements Jack 1895
Chapman Ben 1931
Boone Ray 1956
Anson Cap 1884

Pitchers...
Bevens Bill 1946
Braxton Garland 1928
Casey Hugh 1942
Ellsworth Dick 1963
Farrell Turk 1963
Ford Russ 1910
Foytack Paul 1958
Lee Bill C. 1938
Melton Cliff 1937
Moore Earl 1903
Pascual Camilo 1959
Phillippe Deacon 1905
Potter Nels 1944
Reynolds Allie 1952
Schupp Ferdie 1916
Scott Jim 1913
Tannehill Jesse 1902
Wolff Roger 1945
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Re: 17.1 Card Add process-Group 1 done - onto Group 2

PostSat Dec 03, 2016 4:05 pm

17.1 Add is shaping up nicely, so far we have...
EXP Piazza Mike 2000 NYM C 2 16 1012OPS 38HR 3MVP No NYM card
EXP Longoria Evan 2009 TB 3B 0 9 889OPS 33HR 19MVP GG
EXP Castillo Luis 2003 FLA 2B 0 15 381OBP 21MVP GG 1e11
EXP Bumgarner Madison 2013 GIA SP 0 8 1.03whip 13-9, 9CY
EXP Peavy Jake 2007 SD SP 0 15 1.06whip 19-6, 1CY 7MVP
EXP Willis Dontrelle 2005 FLA SP 0 9 1.13whip 22-10, 2CY 11MVP
DB Flick Elmer 1900 PHI OF 2 13 MBC 986OPS 110RBI LL 367BA
POST Sauer Hank 1952 CHC LF 1 20 BC 37HR 892OPS 1MVP
PRE Burns George H 1926 CLV 1B 2 16 MMBC 394OBP/889OPS 64DB 1MVP
POST Abernathy Ted 1967 CIN RP 1 18 MBC .978whip No Red Card
DB Hahn Noodles 1902 CIN SP 1 8 BC 1.06whip 23-12 36CG

Just launched the voting for the 2 Batters and 3 Pitchers from the Post, Pre and DeadBall ERA's that will be added. That voting will be going on through Monday, December 12. Immediately after that we'll launch the polls to determine the 4 Role players to include. Go get into that discussion!
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Re: 17.1 Card Add process-Group 1 done - onto Group 2

PostWed Dec 07, 2016 2:46 pm

If one doesn't follow this process closely, it is way too complex. And I think that the low vote totals on the two current polls reflect this. Just my two cents.
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