Rebranding of this post - 1893-1899 Cards

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Re: Dead ball ERA: AM = rburgh,The Last Druid, george banard

PostSat Dec 03, 2016 9:47 am

Thanks for the replies. I suppose it is my training as a historian that pushes me toward the curatorial side of the equation and also the same training that allows me to accept outlier years as part of history. Outlier in what ways? Late 1990s/early 2000s outlier years because of the blind eye that MLB turned toward PED use? Or an outlier year when everything came together for the player (age, experience, right manager, pennant race, training) that disappeared when an injury or drink or managerial change intervened. Many of the guys here love the sparkling toys of those outlier years and who can blame them? Others feel more comfortable with the norms or norm+, especially for those players who are not necessarily the greats of the game. As for me, as someone who gave up playing the real game of baseball in high school because of a little thing called hitting a curve ball, I am in awe of anyone who gets as far as the big leagues.

That all said, I would like to place the following names and years into voting consideration for the next round. There are a few changes from earlier, but I would like to think a nice mix of Wow years and That ain't half bad years. Let me know what you think.

1/ 1895 Bill Lange. Still like this year.
2/ 1895 Jack Clements. I know it puts him near the top of the catchers, but gotta go with this.
3/ 1896 Bill Joyce. Would end up being a NYG card as he was traded from the Senators during the year. 600 PAs, .330/.470/.518 splits, 101 walks, 13 hrs leading the league, 45 steals. I think this is more than a legitimate card.
4/ 1895 Kip Selbach. Card with the Washington Senators (a National League team at the time) team with whom he played the longest. .324/.406/.486 splits, led league in triples with 22 in 519 abs, 130 ops+, 31 sb.
5/ 1885 Hardy Richardson. Buffalo Bison card. .319/.350/.458 splits. 157 ops+. Played 2B, LF, CF, SS. By JAWS standards, the 43rd greatest 2B in history. Should have a card, this one would be just a bit better than his career norms and wouldn't put him in Hornsby/Morgan territory.

So for hitters, a little bit for everybody.

For pitchers not too many changes.

1/ 1902 Jesse Tannehill.
2/ 1910 Russ Ford
3/ 1903 Earl Moore
4/ 1916 Ferdie Schupp
5/ 1913 Jim Scott
6/ 1905 Deacon Phillippe

Thanks for listening.

Bill
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Re: Rebranding of this post - 1893-1899 Cards

PostTue Nov 07, 2017 12:38 pm

Lots of great discussion in here.

We won't forget about the 1900-1919 guys but for now, so we don't have to cut and paste a bunch of posts, we'll use this as our 1893-1899 card discussion forum. If it ends up being 3-4 vocal guys that want these cards then we probably push it out a bit, but if the community shows interest then we start including them. I'll leave it to you guys to rank these players in prep for potentially sprinkling them in (albeit slowly) across our 18.x adds.
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