Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostTue Jan 05, 2021 4:04 pm

Thanks Andy. The entire community and I are indebted to you for your fine work.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostFri Jan 08, 2021 3:18 pm

Manny Lee
currently 85
upgrade 88 (2b/ss) or 92 (ss) his best offensive years, 92 with excellent defense
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostSat Jan 09, 2021 5:53 pm

Requests

2000 Denny Hocking, MIN, Bats-S, 2R BAL, 3b-3e17, 2b-3e15, SS-3e14, 1b-3e25, OF-3(-2)e2, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-0 3b-1 HR-0 BB-20 .277/.411/.299, OPS-.710
RH--2b-9.9 3b-1.4 HR-1.5 BB-10 .335/.397/.510, OPS-.907
I *think* a BarnStormer Finalist has chosen to add this card. NICE utility add, can play any position except catcher very adequately.





1986 Mike Schmidt, PHI, Bats-R, 6L BAL, 3b-1e8, 1b-3e10, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-7.2 3b-0 HR-16.5 BB-12 .457/.528/1.061, OPS-1.588
RH--2b-4.4 3b-0.2 HR-8.5 BB-15 .302/.412/.634, OPS-1.046
Current 1981 Mike Schmidt, Bats-R, 4L BAL, 3b-1e28, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-13.5 3b-0 HR-21.8 BB-20 .412/.532/1.330, OPS-1.862
RH--2b-3 3b-0.6 HR-13.3 BB-22 .396/.531/.921, OPS-1.452
To my mind, there's nothing that the '86 Schmidt card does that his current 3 cards don't do, and do better (ok except the error rating).





1992 Gary Sheffield, SD, Bats-R, 2L BAL, 3b-2e19, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-4.2 3b-1.5 HR-11.3 BB-6 .459/.499/.868, OPS-1.367
RH--2b-8.9 3b-0 HR-8.4 BB-9 .392/.454/.743, OPS-1.196
Current 1996 Gary Sheffield, FLA, Bats-R, E BAL, LF/RF-4(-1)e8, 3b-4e39, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-3.2 3b-0 HR-13.8 BB-27 .388/.563/.964, OPS-1.527
RH--2b-6.4 3b-0 HR-11.1 BB-34 .410/.618/.977, OPS-1.595
This would be a NICE add, especially for the Padres.





1978 Pete LaCock, KC, Bats-L, 6R BAL, 1b-3e10, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-5.8 3b-0 HR-0 BB-0 .120/.120/.174, OPS-.294
RH--2b-8.8 3b-1 HR-1.8 BB-3 .347/.365/.500, OPS-.865
He has a .50 card. Not much to see




1959 Johnny Temple, CIN, Bats-R, 2L BAL, 2b-2e22, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-11.5 3b-0.8 HR-2.3 BB-15 .446/.528/.663, OPS-1.191
RH--2b-5 3b-1.7 HR-1.4 BB-15 .368/.462/.503, OPS-.965
Current 1957 Johnny Temple, CIN, Bats-R, 3L BAL, 2b-2e21, 3 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-7 3b-0 HR-0 BB-28 .413/.576/.503, OPS-1.079
RH--2b-2.4 3b-0.5 HR-0 BB-22 .288/.446/.329, .775
This card is slightly better, more hitting, still good OBP. Decent add....





1988 Manny Lee, TOR, Bats-S, 2L BAL, 2b-3e11, SS-3e52, 3b-3e53, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-5 3b-1.7 HR-1.4 BB-15 .368/.462/.503, OPS-.965
RH--2b-1.2 3b-1 HR-0 BB-6 .275/.316/.307, OPS-.623

1992 Manny Lee, TOR, Bats-S, 2R BAL, SS-2e10, 15 Game INJ Risk, 2 INJ Rating
LH--2b-1.3 3b-0 HR-0 BB-14 .184/.289/.197, OPS-.486
RH--2b-0 3b-0.2 HR-0.3 BB-15 .289/.388/.300, OPS-.688
The 85 card requested didn't meet the AB threshold. I added the 92 because it's his only season with usable defense.
In any season, he's just not very good.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostTue Jan 12, 2021 11:56 am

I've got one more corner IFer suggestion prior to the 21.1 nominations scheduled to begin on 1-16-21.

I dug out Mo Vaughn's 1998 card from my vast but long neglected collection of SOM cards and was able to glean the card info from it and enter it into the Diamond Dope diy link on a neutral field (SI 1-10, HR 1-10), which produced the following numbers:

1998 Mo Vaughn, Red Sox, Bats L .337 40 115 .402 .591 .993 1b-3e14. Career highs in BA, SLG, OPS+. 2nd career bests in H, R, 2B, HRs, TB, OPS. Vaughn 1998 stats vs. RHP & LHP in BA, SLG, OBP, OPS, & OPS+ are nearly identical, so it should be a balanced card. 3 game max injury risk.
LH--2b- 2.4 3b-0.0 HR-11.5 BB-8 HBP-3 .400/.461/.780 OPS-1.242
RH--2b- 5.1 3b-0.25 HR-9.8 BB-5 HBP-3 .395/.440/.745 OPS-1.185
The 1998 Mo Vaughn card hits for a higher BA than other Vaughn cards and is the best Vaughn card against LHP, although the OBP is a little lower than the 1996 Vaughn card, which Andy previously posted, with numbers as set forth below:

1996 Mo Vaughn BOS Bats-L BAL-2R .326 44 143 .420. .583 1.003 1b-4e17 INJ Risk-In Game
LH--2b- 1.5 3b-0.3 HR-7.1 BB-17 .373/.501/.644 OPS-1.145
RH--2b- 3.9 3b-0.0 HR-11.9 BB-10 .378/.464/.804 OPS-1.268
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/2811/1690/1/90

Both the 1998 and 1996 Mo Vaughn cards would be an improvement over any of the Mo Vaughn cards currently in the ATG card set.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostMon Jan 18, 2021 12:41 pm

We have 3 Gehringer cards currently, but 1929 & 1937 were agruably his best two seasons and neither is represented.

In 1937 he had a career high .371 average, a career high fielding % and won his only MVP award. .371 / .458 / .520

In 1929 he led the league in games, PA's, hits, runs, double, triples and stolen bases. .339 / .405 / .532
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostMon Feb 08, 2021 4:32 pm

lexomatic wrote:Manny Lee
currently 85
upgrade 88 (2b/ss) or 92 (ss) his best offensive years, 92 with excellent defense

andycummings65 wrote:Requests
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1988 Manny Lee, TOR, Bats-S, 2L BAL, 2b-3e11, SS-3e52, 3b-3e53, 15 Game INJ Risk
LH--2b-5 3b-1.7 HR-1.4 BB-15 .368/.462/.503, OPS-.965
RH--2b-1.2 3b-1 HR-0 BB-6 .275/.316/.307, OPS-.623

1992 Manny Lee, TOR, Bats-S, 2R BAL, SS-2e10, 15 Game INJ Risk, 2 INJ Rating
LH--2b-1.3 3b-0 HR-0 BB-14 .184/.289/.197, OPS-.486
RH--2b-0 3b-0.2 HR-0.3 BB-15 .289/.388/.300, OPS-.688
The 85 card requested didn't meet the AB threshold. I added the 92 because it's his only season with usable defense.
In any season, he's just not very good.

bolded for clarity. 85 was the current card.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostSun Feb 21, 2021 8:18 pm

Maybe not an overall improvement, but what would 1952 Jackie Robinson look like? It was his career high in OBP (.440)
I'm always looking for leadoff men :D
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostSun Feb 21, 2021 9:16 pm

STEVE F wrote:Maybe not an overall improvement, but what would 1952 Jackie Robinson look like? It was his career high in OBP (.440)
I'm always looking for leadoff men :D


He’s a 2b-3e21.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--INFIELDERS IMPROVEMENTS

PostSun Feb 21, 2021 9:36 pm

andycummings65 wrote:
STEVE F wrote:Maybe not an overall improvement, but what would 1952 Jackie Robinson look like? It was his career high in OBP (.440)
I'm always looking for leadoff men :D


He’s a 2b-3e21.

What a jip
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