Catchers 18.1 Poll

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Pick 4

Bench Johnny 1974 CIN
28
5%
Cochrane* Mickey 1934 DET
34
7%
Ferguson Joe 1973 DOD
17
3%
Fisk Carlton 1983 CHW
45
9%
Fosse Ray 1970 CLV
51
10%
Gedman* Rich 1985 BOS
16
3%
Hargrave Bubbles 1923 CIN
40
8%
Harper Brian 1989 MIN
25
5%
Hogan Shanty 1928 NYG
20
4%
Kennedy* Terry 1982 SDP
18
4%
LaValliere* Mike 1987 PIT
35
7%
Meyers Chief 1912 NYG
43
8%
Moss Les 1949 SLB
5
1%
Salkeld* Bill 1945 PIT
22
4%
Santiago Benito 1987 SDP
36
7%
Scioscia* Mike 1985 DOD
22
4%
Wockenfuss John 1977 DET
21
4%
York Rudy 1938 DET
35
7%
 
Total votes : 513

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Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostSun Feb 04, 2018 10:43 pm

Pick 4, poll will run through 2/13 @ 9pm PT. Top 4 go through pending ERA distribution across SP, C, 3B , SS

Last First Year / Franchise / Position / Cards currently in ATG / $$ Cards in ATG / Years in Career / AVE OBP SLG OPS OPS+ AB+BB 2B 3B HR RBI BAL DEF / WAR / Other Qualifications

KEY - BC=Better Card than what's in ATG, MBC=Much Better Card, MMBC=Much Much Better Card, LL=Led League SS=Silver Slugger, GG=Gold Glove

Bench Johnny 1974 CIN C 3B/1B 4cards -(69)$5.71,(70)$7.69,(72)$7.28,(75)$5.83 - 17yrs / 280 363 507 870 143 701 38 2 33 129 3R 1(-4)5/1b-4e24/3b-4e18 7.8 MVP4 GG, LL RBI
Cochrane* Mickey 1934 DET C 2cards -(29)$6.03,(31)$7.14 -13yrs / 320 428 412 840 117 515 32 1 2 75 1R 1(-3)4 4.0 MVP1
Ferguson Joe 1973 DOD C RF/LF 1card -(82)$1.02 - 14yrs / 263 369 470 839 136 574 26 0 25 88 3L 3(-1)1/OF-4(-2)20 / 5.0 MVP21
Fisk Carlton 1983 CHW C 2cards - (77)$6.83,(78)$5.30 - 24yrs / 289 355 518 874 134 534 26 4 26 86 E 2(0)5 / 4.3 MVP3
Fosse Ray 1970 CLV C 2cards- (72)$1.50,(73)$.98 - 12yrs / 307 361 469 830 124 489 17 0 18 61 1L 1(-2)7 / 5.2 MVP23 GG MBC
Gedman* Rich 1985 BOS C 1card - (86)$1.67 - 13yrs / 295 362 484 846 126 548 30 5 18 80 5R 3(-3)10 / 5.4 MVP25
Hargrave Bubbles 1923 CIN C 0cards 12yrs / 333 419 521 941 149 422 23 9 10 78 1L 3(0)4 / 4.7
Harper Brian 1989 MIN C RF/1B/3B 0cards - 16yrs 325 353 449 802 119 398 24 8 57 2R 3(0)11/1b-4e25 / 2.8
Hogan Shanty 1928 NYG C 0cards - 13yrs 333 406 477 883 130 453 25 2 10 71 1L 3(-1)6 / 3.9 MVP8
Kennedy* Terry 1982 SDP C 1B 2cards -(84)$.77,(85)$.84 -14yrs / 295 328 486 814 130 588 42 0 21 97 1L 3(-2)2/1b-4e28 / 4.6 MVP14
LaValliere* Mike 1987 PIT C 0cards - 12yrs / 300 377 365 742 98 383 19 0 1 36 4R 1(-3)5 / 2.8 GG Best D
Meyers Chief 1912 NYG C 2cards - (11)$4.73,(13)$2.90 - 9yrs / 358 441 447 918 147 418 16 5 6 60 E 3(+1)11 / 4.6 MVP3 LL OBP
Moss Les 1949 SLB C 1card - (55)$1.82 - 13yrs / 291 399 439 838 117 327 11 10 39 2R 4(+1)9 / 1.8 BC
Salkeld* Bill 1945 PIT C 0cards - 6yrs / 311 420 547 966 163 337 16 15 52 2R 3(-1)8 / 3.7 MVP24
Santiago Benito 1987 SDP C 1card - (91)$2.54 - 20yrs / 300 324 467 791 111 562 33 2 18 79 4L 2(-3)7 / 3.4 SS BC 21SB ROY1
Scioscia* Mike 1985 DOD C 1card - (87)$1.93 - 13yrs / 296 407 420 826 136 506 26 3 7 53 2R 2(-1)9 / 5.4 MVP18
Wockenfuss John 1977 DET C LF/RF 0cards - 12yrs / 274 331 500 831 119 188 8 1 9 25 9L 4(+1)9/OF-4(1)16 / 0.9
York Rudy 1938 DET C LF/1B 3cards - (40)$7.08,(41)$2.56,(46)$3.26 - 13yrs 298 417 579 995 140 552 27 2 33 126 1L 4(0)3/1b-4e15 / 4.6
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostTue Feb 06, 2018 12:11 pm

I'd invite you all to take a close look at Chief Meyers. He was two cards, but this was by far his best offensive year. (I think he might rate a MBC). In the heart of the deadball era, Chief hit .358 with a .441 OBP (#1 in league) and a .918 OPS (#2 in league).
Meyers was considered an excellent defensive player--and he should be a highly effective hitter in small ball parks in this game. There aren't a lot of really good small ball catchers in the set. So I think this one would be heavily used.

I'm very much open to persuasion on the other catchers.
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostTue Feb 06, 2018 1:29 pm

Outta Leftfield wrote:I'd invite you all to take a close look at Chief Meyers. He was two cards, but this was by far his best offensive year. (I think he might rate a MBC). In the heart of the deadball era, Chief hit .358 with a .441 OBP (#1 in league) and a .918 OPS (#2 in league).
Meyers was considered an excellent defensive player--and he should be a highly effective hitter in small ball parks in this game. There aren't a lot of really good small ball catchers in the set. So I think this one would be heavily used.

I'm very much open to persuasion on the other catchers.

Outta Leftfield points out a hole in the stats I posted for some players. This time around I didn't review all the nominations to the level I typically do so some might be missing the proper; BC, MBC, MMBC designations. Sorry about that life got in the way a bit. Thanks for the catch OL!
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostWed Feb 07, 2018 1:59 am

We finally can get a good upgrade or a actual card for most of these players and yet Fisk and Cochrane are getting votes. Those cards are not better than their current best card. At least the Bench card hits righties better than his current cards.

I know franchise league players want the Fisk card but why the Cochrane card? If you want a better Tiger catcher card than get a better Lance Parrish card or just vote for the Rudy York catcher card that is already on the poll.
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostWed Feb 07, 2018 2:24 am

djp_77 wrote:We finally can get a good upgrade or a actual card for most of these players and yet Fisk and Cochrane are getting votes. Those cards are not better than their current best card. At least the Bench card hits righties better than his current cards.

I know franchise league players want the Fisk card but why the Cochrane card? If you want a better Tiger catcher card than get a better Lance Parrish card or just vote for the Rudy York catcher card that is already on the poll.

Agreed. Cochrane makes no sense to me. York was the easiest vote on the ballot to me.
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostWed Feb 07, 2018 12:05 pm

I also don't get Cochrane. And I did vote for York.

For the Detroit franchise, York gives a .995 OPS /140 OPS+ versus Cochrane's .840/117—and York's 4(0)3 defense is not prohibitive. And simply as a card, Cochrane's 1934 offense is far weaker than on his two existing cards.
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostWed Feb 07, 2018 1:17 pm

While I don't get the Cochrane pick either, it's his MVP season.
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostThu Feb 08, 2018 9:53 pm

I went with Cochrane because other two cards are with Philly A's... this would be Detroit and his MVP season.
same with Fisk..only other two are with BOSOX and he actually played more years with the CHISOX.
Voted for Spanky too... and the Chief... when you compare that Bench has 4 or 5 cards, I liked adding Cochrane MVP, left-handed hitting catcher.
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostSun Feb 11, 2018 5:10 am

I nominated the Tiger Cochrane (along with Nokes and Pudge) to try and give the Tigers franchise more options at catcher.

I wasn't aware that Rudy York was primarily a catcher is his early years and I really like the nomination of his card.

I am also kicking myself for forgetting one of my favorite Tigers from when I was a kid, Bill Freehan. Any of the following years would be nice with 1964 probably being the most balanced.

1964 .300/.350/.462.812
1967 .282/.389.447/.835
1971 .277/.353/.465/.818
1974 .297/.361/.479/.840
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Re: Catchers 18.1 Poll

PostTue Feb 13, 2018 5:56 pm

Glad to see Bubbles getting some late love. Nice to see a player without a card in the set making a run. I don't know how much it'll be used, but a nice historical add.

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