D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

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fredpaii

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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostMon Oct 28, 2019 6:08 pm

Don't worry about it.
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostMon Oct 28, 2019 6:37 pm

as the commish, I have to check on it and make sure I understand. sorry. do you guys want me to just void the original trade? or what's up?

thanks,
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostMon Oct 28, 2019 7:50 pm

Paul_Long71 wrote:If I put this trade through then the trade from 3 weeks ago is voided and essentially fred is just giving sean his 6th round pick and a prospect for nothing. something's not right.

Yes, something isn't right.
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostMon Oct 28, 2019 7:55 pm

guess I should have looked at this better. As I see it, Sean traded Doolittle to fredpaii for the stretch run and got Blach, a prospect, and a 6th round pick back. Then after the league finished and fred's playoff run was over, fred traded doolittle back to sean for blach.

Essentially, Sean picked up a 6th round pick and a prospect while fred got a closer for the stretch run. Normally, that seems fine. But I have received a couple texts/emails asking about the ethics of it since it is really just loaning a guy a player for the stretch run and then trading him back.

I could make cases both ways:

1. It's collusion in that they traded back right after the playoff run ended. I don't know if this was agreed upon ahead of time or not, but it looks bad either way.

2. It was a shrewd move by sean to get what he could for the asset he had. He got a 6th and a prospect. I did get a text that it also weakened his team and thus increased his draft position (tanking??)


At this point I don't see anything in our rules that speak of this issue....or collusion in general....or tanking. Thus, the trade should be allowed.

But....I'd like to start a conversation regarding these types of trades for the league's future. I say this because I know a couple of people didn't like the fact that the players were traded back after the playoffs ended and thus the texts/emails to me.

Please drop a comment and let me/us know what you think

I'd like to open up a conversation to see
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostMon Oct 28, 2019 8:03 pm

The two deals in question here amount to a loan of Sean Doolittle for the stretch run in exchange for a prospect. Sean weakened his team for the stretch and improved his draft position for next year because of it, added Hunter Harvey to his team, and still keeps Doolittle.

I've run many different pools and leagues over far too many years to think about, and we always have strict rules in place to prevent this. I realize we don't have anything like that here and the two participants in this transaction haven't done anything illegal. In my opinion it's the kind of transaction that gives rise to the "C" word, and makes you wonder if the two players are working together.
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostTue Oct 29, 2019 11:35 am

Paul,
I asked Fred if he was going to keep doolittle, because his 2019 season wasn't that great. i said if he wasn't going to keep him i was interested in getting him back. that's why we did this second trade.

sean
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostTue Oct 29, 2019 11:44 am

Paul,

I just finished reading all the other comments regarding the trade. I don't want this to be looked at as cheating or collusion or anything untoward.

From my perspective, you can nullify the last trade. Doolittle can go into the FA pool.

I apologize for any perceived impropriety. I wasn't "tanking" ... I wasn't exactly in a position for a playoff run at the time of the trade; I was one of the bottom 5 teams anyway.

Please void the last trade, and accept my apology. I don't want you to have to put more rules in place. It's an awesome league, and I don't want to see it implementing "The Doolittle Rule" because of this.

Sean
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostTue Oct 29, 2019 6:49 pm

David Price and Johnny Cueto are available. I want a 2nd round prospect pick for Price. A 3rd round prospect pick for Cueto. Or I could accept FA picks...you tell me your offer.
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostTue Nov 05, 2019 4:13 pm

Off season trade to announce.

Roscodog trades

B.Anderson SP OAK

To Baseball CFO for

M.Franco 3b Phil

To be confirmed
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Re: D2D trash talk and draft comments thread

PostTue Nov 05, 2019 11:01 pm

Roscodog wrote:Off season trade to announce.

Roscodog trades

B.Anderson SP OAK

To Baseball CFO for

M.Franco 3b Phil

To be confirmed



Confirm
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